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Not something I would ever buy.
However, that gun looks awesome.
However, that gun looks awesome.
Remington 870 w/ Elite Tactical Advantage Rhino Rail
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There is no way you are getting a cheek weld with those sights and that stock setup. It definately needs a riser to use those sights.
That is a lot of rail space, what one needs it all for I'm not sure. Unnecessary weight IMO. While the point has been made that it is not that much weight its still a pound + that probably isn't needed and it all starts to add up.
That is a lot of rail space, what one needs it all for I'm not sure. Unnecessary weight IMO. While the point has been made that it is not that much weight its still a pound + that probably isn't needed and it all starts to add up.
To me the shotgun world can't have it both ways. By definition a shotgun is a hefty cannon with plenty of kick, so to combat that kick shotguns generally carry a lot of weight. Reduce the weight and the recoil rises, add weight and the recoil drops. 22 ounces more weight on something this funtional is a no brainer. On the amount of rail, the quad portion is 5.5" in length x4, the rest being in the spine. An easy way to look at it would be to think of the spine as a heat shield with a bonus rail. The justification on the quad portion is vast, however I break it down to simple terms. If it's good enough for an AR, then it's good enough for a shotgun.
Thanks!
Eric
Thanks!
Eric
pikid89
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i have a peep sight on my 22 and if the diopter diameter on these is similar to that of tech sights, than i dont see how they are any good at night or have a huge speed advantage over say a tritium bead or a large size ghost ring....there is a difference between peep sights and "ghost rings"
It's really muzzle heavy.
I just checked the balance point of an 870 Express 12 Gauge with a 28" barrel. It balances right at the front of the receiver. That 28" is a heavy pig of a barrel, too. The 28" Wingmaster LC, which has better balance and handling, balances about the middle of the loading port AFAIK.
I just checked the balance point of an 870 Express 12 Gauge with a 28" barrel. It balances right at the front of the receiver. That 28" is a heavy pig of a barrel, too. The 28" Wingmaster LC, which has better balance and handling, balances about the middle of the loading port AFAIK.
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Frankly, its foolish, its 350 dollars, and it allows you to.... what?
Use sights that are way too high off the bore for a short range weapon?
Have an accurate sight picture on a innacurate weapon?
Mount a flashlight <easy to do on a normal shotgun> and a laser <of dubious utility, and still easy to do on a normal shotgun?>
The total cost of adding the rail, and the sights has got to be 500+.
No thank you.
Let me introduce you to something that will let you mount your flashlight and your laser.....
WOW... I bet that costs 350 dollars! no... no.. wait no it doesnt.
Use sights that are way too high off the bore for a short range weapon?
Have an accurate sight picture on a innacurate weapon?
Mount a flashlight <easy to do on a normal shotgun> and a laser <of dubious utility, and still easy to do on a normal shotgun?>
The total cost of adding the rail, and the sights has got to be 500+.
No thank you.
Let me introduce you to something that will let you mount your flashlight and your laser.....
WOW... I bet that costs 350 dollars! no... no.. wait no it doesnt.
EdLaver said:
Try Harris Tacitcal, his pricing is good.
http://harristacticalonline.com/category.sc?categoryId=78
The Rhino is for the 870 and 1100 Remington. There's a Mossberg 500/590 version coming out soon.
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Eric
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dom1104 said:
That's what we call a tinker toy. It looks like it came out of the airsoft bin. Fwiw, the Rhino Rail does a lot more than let the end user glue a flashlight to his barrel. Does that airsoft tinker toy act as a heat shield as well? How about encase the barrel and extension tube? Knarl those mag tube threads and it game over. Pop that weaksauce extension tube off and watch all your rounds come flowing out the front. Can you mount BUIS and an EOTech to that toy mount? Let me introduce you to the Rhino rail.
On cost, there are $1800 Remington 870's floating around that have nothing more than a brand name and so-so coating, so a few hundred dollars added to a stock 870 for a such a quality piece is real value for the money.
Eric
CoRoMo
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ArmedBear is correct. The balance point has moved quite a ways forward of where it used to be. He's not saying that the gun is too heavy to lift, just that it now has the majority of its weight up front. This will require more effort to swing, and the muzzle will produce its own inertia that you'll have to fight in order to control.
When he stops back by, he can post a better description on how a shotgun is swung. A properly balanced gun will be controlled much differently than a gun that is loaded down up front. There are a few effects that the added forward-weight causes.
When he stops back by, he can post a better description on how a shotgun is swung. A properly balanced gun will be controlled much differently than a gun that is loaded down up front. There are a few effects that the added forward-weight causes.
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You're wrong. You showed where the balance point is, and it's muzzle-heavy as hell, and the otherwise good handling of an 870 is totally screwed up. There's no point in a defensive shotgun that isn't naturally-pointing and quick on target.
Why don't you come back with the results of any competitions you've won with that thing. And I'm not talking about Japanese comic book lookalike competitions, either.
Fred Fuller
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I've been using the Streamlight 69906 ring mount on 870s ever since it was prototyped, and never had any problems with them. Bill Davis sent me the first one I ever saw to try out when I called SpeedFeed many years ago to ask why they didn't mold rails into their replacement shotgun forearms (patent problems, was the reason he gave).
Bashing a perfectly serviceable (and inexpensive) product that has been on the market for well over a decade is a poor business tactic IMHO...
lpl
EdLaver said:
Quality costs money. A machininst came up to our table at the Tulsa show and said that if someone asked him to build that piece for $350, he'd show them the door. For reference there is a lesser quality rail in existance (although they only have a couple production pieces done), and while it's a bit less initially, once you add on the pieces to make it equivilent to ours it's the same price. So they have equal price and less quality. Fwiw, the link I posted was for $299.00.
Eric
ArmedBear said:
Bear, the system isn't made to shoot out dinner plates or rubber duckies. It's built to compliment the shotgun and shooter that finds himself in a hot situation where chaos rules and anything can happen. By your arguement any quad rail system, including those for AR's and Sig's is redundant, and clearly sir they are not. Listen, if it's not for you, then it's not for you. No one is dipping into your pockets. Cool?
Eric
Lee Lapin said:
You have to understand Lee that it's equally as poor form to bash an item that one only knows from am internet picture and illconceived prejudgements. On those trinket like parts, they may work for some, but to me and a lot of people, they give the impression of an add on afterthought, without much thought put into them. Some folks want an all in one system, and when they do, the Rhino Rail is here. To me, the impression I have of those small plaqued' rails is that they are a bandaid fix and not a proper solution. You may have a differening opinion, and praise the lord that we're in America where that's acceptable.
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Eric
It's not made for someone who wants to shoot ANYTHING... Carrying something so bulky, heavy, and slow on target is a great way to get shot. Someone with practice could put 3 rounds of .45 ACP into someone carrying that thing before he had it pointed. If I'm ever attacked by a shotgun-wielding psycho, I hope he's carrying something like that, not a regular, quick-pointing 18.5" 870.
Look, you say it's not muzzle-heavy, but the balance point shows that is clearly is. So, you're either lying, or you have no clue about shotgun shooting. Which is it?
Nobody who shoots shotguns seriously could say that without laughing.
ROTFLMAO
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I hear you, man. If it's too much for you, that's alright. I don't have a problem with it. A 2" forward center of gravity doesn't bother me.If it bothers you, then that's your entitlement and again, no one is going into your pockets so stop acting like they are. Whatever you're doing must work for you and that's great, but by your attitude and condecending nature, I can guarantee that not everyone in America buys your brand. There's a peg for every hole, don't forget that. Hopefully that clears things up.
Gord
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A shotgun with diopter sights?
Oh God. When will it stop?
Streamlight ring mount: $15. Receiver saddle rail: $30. Magazine extension clamp: $10. Congrats, $55 buys you all the purported benefits of this rail system (minus the heat shield, which, if you're actually holding the shotgun by what is referred to in technical terms as "the pumpy thing," does not actually have any function), without the weight penalty, and you can spend the $250-300 difference on the EOTech if you really, truly decide that you need a red dot on top of the gun for painting tangos.
But if you absolutely have to have four feet of available railspace on your "fighting" shotgun, I guess this thing takes the cake. Lessee, light, laser, EOTech, backup light, backup laser, backup EOTech (can't be too careful these days, and who cares if it weighs 16 pounds - your life is worth a few extra bicep curls!)... crap, we've still got a foot or two of railspace unused. Quick, invent more bolt-ons!
Oh God. When will it stop?
Streamlight ring mount: $15. Receiver saddle rail: $30. Magazine extension clamp: $10. Congrats, $55 buys you all the purported benefits of this rail system (minus the heat shield, which, if you're actually holding the shotgun by what is referred to in technical terms as "the pumpy thing," does not actually have any function), without the weight penalty, and you can spend the $250-300 difference on the EOTech if you really, truly decide that you need a red dot on top of the gun for painting tangos.
But if you absolutely have to have four feet of available railspace on your "fighting" shotgun, I guess this thing takes the cake. Lessee, light, laser, EOTech, backup light, backup laser, backup EOTech (can't be too careful these days, and who cares if it weighs 16 pounds - your life is worth a few extra bicep curls!)... crap, we've still got a foot or two of railspace unused. Quick, invent more bolt-ons!
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Or you could run a recoil pad. Or a gas gun. Making a shotgun more unwieldy is not the only way to address recoil.
As to something "this functional" I have to agree with the above
Buying overpriced stuff that you don't need is pretty common in the AR world, I'll give you that.
If you like it then that's what matters but I think you'll have a limited number of takers at $350 and very very few of them will be serious shooters.
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ForumSurfer
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With all do respect, we're consumers, we have that liberty.
Looks neat. I'm sure it is a great product for people that may or may not need all those rails. Good luck with it.
I just pulled out my 870 marine magnum and hung a sweatshirt off of it about 4" forward of the receiver. That sweatshirt adds heft I don't need. I like a self defense shotgun to be light enough I can bring it up and on target quickly. If the front sight sits 2-3" higher than before I'm no longer accurate. At close ranges I won't need the sights...or a gigantic rail for that matter. Just a bead or a ghost ring, not an eotech that adds more weight and has potential for damage.
As far as heat shields go, I've shot my 870's and 1100's to death and never needed one. Cases and cases of shells and the gun being shot by multiple people trap shooting just 4 or 5 of my shotguns. Yes, I love trap shooting with my Marine Magnum. It's a nice break from being all professional with a longer barrel. You have to shoot quick before they get too far, making it really fun. IMO if heat shields were actually that necessary, you'd see them on $4000 trap guns that get shot more often, more quickly and for longer durations than any other shotgun out there.
Come up with a cheaper version of this and I'm sold:
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