Remington Model 11 riot?

[ApacheCoTodd]

I'm trying to date a Model 11 outside of the standard Remington barrel marking codes.

RECEIVER

A friend has a Remington 11. The receiver is "engraved" as a sporting gun.
- I know that many true U.S. riots are.

The engraving quality, depth, etc.. looks newer than known U.S. riot guns I've handled.

The receiver has no ordnance/inspector markings.
-I know that some did not.

It does not say "Military Finish" on the receiver.
-I know that this is not always the case.

BARREL

The barrel appears to be a stand-up military riot as it has the bead (not the later elevated Cop front sight), Cyl marked and ordnance stamped.

WOOD

The fore end is plain though not slab-sided. The but has a rubber decelerator style pad, engraved grip area, civilian finish and no stamps.

So, what I've got is a serial number of 759024.

I'm thinking it's a proper commercial gun that a fella put a lucked-into, GI riot barrel on.



Now, I have a Navy training Model 11 with a Cop riot barrel (it had and I still have the long comped Navy marked barrel) and am looking to buy my pal's 1100 to swap barrels.

However, if this buddy's gun is somehow a correct commercially sourced and then converted riot gun, I'll likely leave it be.

So, then, is there a way to determine whether this is a late model (as it looks) receiver with an older barrel rather than a proper riot gun?

Todd.

 

[Jim K]

There is the Model 1100 TAC-4:

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/tactical/shotguns/model-1100-tac-4.aspx

I don't know of any US marked 1100 "riot guns", or barrels for same, from the factory.

Jim

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Thanks Jim

Musta lost my mind for a minute.

I thought there were "hump-back" 1100s in addition to the 11s.

I'll correct the OP.

Todd.

 

[Jim K]

No, the 1100 is a "curve back" like all modern Remingtons. The Model 11 was almost an exact copy of the Belgian Browning A5, licensed to Remington by Browning for the U.S. market.

Jim

 

[WestKentucky]

Another thing to look for would be the type of safety. Safety in the trigger guard is earlier model and a cross bolt is later. If the time periods of the safeties still line up then strip the trigger group off of the reciever as the trigger group is serial ed to the reciever. If that still checks out you can get approximate dates of production by going to remington factory notes and a few known serial numbers and dates of production.

With what little I know you can't really confirm the reciever as being brought into the army arms rooms as you are trying to do. You can simply put it as being in the right type, time, configuration, etc.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Thanks again Jim - I was mis-remembering that there was another non-11, Model 11. Don't know where I got that.

WESTK... Got it, thanks. It does in fact have the cross-bolt like my WWII gun but looks decidedly more modern. Wish I had it in hand to photo.

Guess I'll try that remington phone number tomorrow - seems they're closed today.

Looking at Remington's own page, I see that all Model 11 production ceased in 1947 anyhow. Damn close to being enough, that is. Probably will turn out to be correct.

Todd.

 

[Edarnold]

I have a similar Model 11 'riot' gun, with sporter checkered fore-end and buttstock. The receiver is plain, no rolled engraving. The safety is the sliding type inside the trigger guard. The barrel has the Ordnance 'bomb' marking and bead front sight. My guess as far as my gun is concerned is that the surplus barrel was added by a previous owner. I remember back in the 1960's that Numrich was selling these surplus barrels for a few dollars. The blued finish on the barrel is in much better shape than the receive.which has browned from age

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Going through CWO Swearengen's "World's Fighting Shotguns"

I see he lists photographically the very shotgun as a GI riot gun.
Unfortunately, a call to Remington only returns it as anywhere from190start to 1949 end of production.

I'll assume it's a civilian furnitured Riot.

 

[gyvel]

Apache, this sounds like a gun that came out of the collection of a friend of mine from Sedona in Yavapai County who passed away in 2004. Due to family indifference, the task of getting rid of the collection (which was no small feat) fell on my shoulders, since he and his wife were like a second family to me.

He was a collector of U.S. military arms and had guns from the Revolutionary War though Vietnam, some 400 pieces. One of them was a Remington 11 exactly as you describe, rubber butt pad and all. In fact, the butt pad was what kept me from buying it.

I'm curious to know if this is something you purchased within the last 10 or so years; It's possible that your gun came out of that collection.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Possible.

I'd say unlikely but certainly possible.

It was in an estate that was recently folded up here in Phoenix... sometime last year.

Weird if it was - small world and all that.

It's going to make a perfect barrel swap for me. My Cop barrel goes to it and its GI barrel goes to my GI 11.

I'll put photos up when my wife's partner lets it go. I think I showed too much enthusiasm for it.

Todd.