Been seeing some stuff floating around that Remington has made a cartridge to compete with the 350 legend. 360 buck hammer. I figure it was all nonsense but just received an email from Remington saying a new deer cartridge is coming out in a lever action. I guess the saying be true about new fads and everyone will run out and buy something new thinking its the greatest. Idk about you all but I wouldn’t touch a new Remington
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Seems like Remington is always late. Winchester comes out with 30 WCF. Instead of chambering their rifles in 30 WCF, Remington comes out with 30 Rem. Winchester makes 243, Remington makes 244. Winchester has 270, Remington has 280.
There was a time when manufacturers didn't want to chamber one of their rifles in someone else's cartridge. I thought those days were over. I guess not.
There was a time when manufacturers didn't want to chamber one of their rifles in someone else's cartridge. I thought those days were over. I guess not.
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“Remington” is simply a brand name these days. Owned by Vista Outdoor, a well run business that also owns Federal, CCI, and Speer, among others. So, somewhat surprising that they are following the tawdry tradition @jmr40 provides above.
Looks a joint project with Henry, which will chamber the round, and basically give 35 Remington performance in a straight wall cartridge. May make some sense and give the 350 L some competition, but I’m not convinced that younger hunters will be buying lever guns…
Looks a joint project with Henry, which will chamber the round, and basically give 35 Remington performance in a straight wall cartridge. May make some sense and give the 350 L some competition, but I’m not convinced that younger hunters will be buying lever guns…
DM~
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Winchester has been nothing but a brand name for a long time, like many others.
BTW, the 280 Remington is a better cartridge than the 270 anyway. lol
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BTW, the 280 Remington is a better cartridge than the 270 anyway. lol
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mcb
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Remington does not exist any more, so when we talk about "Remington" products we need to be more specific. This new "Remington" 360 Buckhammer is a product of Vista Outdoor the owners of CCI and Federal along with a heap of other brands. There is no business relation ship between Remington ammunition and Remington firearms anymore other than Vista Outdoors allowing Rem Arms LLC to use the Remington Trademark.
I would not buy a Rem Arm LLC product but I might try the 360 Buckhammer if chambered in a firearm I was interested in.
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Product PR article but interesting because I didn’t realize that the parent case was the 30-30. So it’s the old 35-30/30 but AI and operating at higher pressures. I could see where, as the article suggests, it might be of interest in single shots, from Ruger No 1 to the Henry break-action.
https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/36...WX4Bnoa9db5pThgHnpUcN6ierDVKONEJCmQfCxifrrujg
https://www.outdoorlife.com/guns/36...WX4Bnoa9db5pThgHnpUcN6ierDVKONEJCmQfCxifrrujg
marksman13
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Would be cool in a Ruger No. 1, but unfortunately, I don’t expect to see anymore No. 1s produced. Ruger hasn’t built one since early in 2020.
earlthegoat2
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35 Remington ballistics
Chambered in lever actions and single shots
Straight wall so has flexibility in straight wall states
Ammo is usually pretty available in the first few years following introduction
So this will basically be a 35 Remington which will have similar rifles as 35 Remington chambered in it that you can actually buy ammo for that can also be used in straight wall areas.
And it looks like Henry is going to use a straight stock rifle for it too. I thought for sure they would mess that up.
Chambered in lever actions and single shots
Straight wall so has flexibility in straight wall states
Ammo is usually pretty available in the first few years following introduction
So this will basically be a 35 Remington which will have similar rifles as 35 Remington chambered in it that you can actually buy ammo for that can also be used in straight wall areas.
And it looks like Henry is going to use a straight stock rifle for it too. I thought for sure they would mess that up.
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I know quite a few. But for each one. There are even more that go with a 308 or 6.5.
It's definitely not like when I was a child. Everyone had a 30-30, 32, or 35.
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lightman
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Its good to hear that the new Remington is at least trying to introduce products into the industry. As of now I have no opinion about the quality of the new Remington's firearms but I think they deserve a chance!
BTW, the 280 Remington is a better cartridge than the 270 anyway. lol DMAlong those same thoughts, the 6mm Remington was a better cartridge than the 243 Winchester!But I agree, Remington was often behind the curve!
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That sums it up right there. They will find some well known individual in the gun community who will be happy to accept $$$ to put it out there that the latest is also the greatest. This will be followed by a couple years of pedantic circular discussions about why this is the best round ever developed. It's marketing at its finest.
If I wanted to make money, I would market the new 10.5mm ACP handgun round. It's the best of the 10mm and the .45ACP combined, only BIGGER! The manufactures would retool and make a bunch of 10.5mm ACP handguns. Each one of them would labor to come out with a model that holds 1 more round than everyone else and they would sell like hotcakes. The talking heads of the self defense world would tell us the 10.5mm ACP has the best "knock down power" of any round ever made and you better have one in case you are attacked by a dozen military trained, armored, AK47 carrying heroin junkies. The compensating-for-something crowd would shame anyone carrying anything less. Then, 5 years later, we would all be carrying 9mm again.
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Is this being put forth by Vista (the Remington ammo side, whom I’d actually trust to develop a new round, pointless or no) or Rem Arms? (Whom I wouldn’t trust to engineer anything that didn’t involve shady financial dealings.)
Remington can’t get away from the Fudd no matter how hard they try. (But they don’t try too hard.)
Remington can’t get away from the Fudd no matter how hard they try. (But they don’t try too hard.)
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It was only a matter of time after states with centerfire rifle restrictions, made straight walled handgun calibers legal for deer, that gun makers would tailor make guns to chamber cartridges that would exceed the performance of already existing handgun calibers. Seen it coming a mile away. The cat is out of the bag. Few years down the road and those same states, after realizing that safety is not an issue, will legalize all centerfire rifles. Mark my words.
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so is the 360 effectively a 375Win running a smaller bullet? be nice for guys making wildcats if it the parent case is the same as a strengthened 30-30....My 7-30 did alot better with .375 win brass sized down than it did with thin necked 30-30.
codytrucker
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That's the way I see it . Looks like better than .35 rem performance .And uses the same bolt and lifter as .30-30 . But lower enough pressure than .375 Win. that it wont need a "big bore" special action so any one who makes a .30-30 action can chamber for it easy enough .I hope it catches on , it's another good arrow in the quiver .
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6mm is a better round than .243. Marketing made the difference. Rem started out with different twist barrel and marketed as varmit cartridge. Win could shoot heavier bullets and marketed as deer cartridge. When Rem finally changed, .243 was well established.
.270 is another product of hype and marketing. .280 is better cartridge. Rem killed it by offering the 7mm Rem Mag.
There will be 336 Marlins rebarreled, the Henry rifles will sell. I don't foresee any Winchesters unless the cartridge is insanely popular. Nobody can guess how that will turn out.
The history of proprietary cartridges not being chambered competitors arms is long and ingrained. With the conglomerats owning the "old" names, that is all nonsense.
.270 is another product of hype and marketing. .280 is better cartridge. Rem killed it by offering the 7mm Rem Mag.
There will be 336 Marlins rebarreled, the Henry rifles will sell. I don't foresee any Winchesters unless the cartridge is insanely popular. Nobody can guess how that will turn out.
The history of proprietary cartridges not being chambered competitors arms is long and ingrained. With the conglomerats owning the "old" names, that is all nonsense.
The .444 Marlin can pass the 308 Winchester, energy wise. I think the straight wall cartridge laws were to get the less knowledgeable to accept the change, thinking that "high powered" rifles wouldn't be allowed for hunting. Just my thinking though.
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The .444 Marlin can pass the 308 Winchester, energy wise. I think the straight wall cartridge laws were to get the less knowledgeable to accept the change, thinking that "high powered" rifles wouldn't be allowed for hunting. Just my thinking though.
Yes, but the officious bureaucrats imagine they have thought of that. They also have length restrictions on the straight-walled cartridges that rule out 45-70 and 444, for example.
But, as you note, the rules are fairly absurd even if the original thinking may have had some basis. And, absurd rules sell guns and ammo of course. ..
I forgot about the length restrictions in some states. Ohio does allow for the Marlin and 45-70.
One of the better explanations out there.
https://ofbf.org/2021/12/15/legal-with-leah-firearms-permitted-ohio-deer-hunting/
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I think the straight wall cartridge laws were to get the less knowledgeable to accept the change, thinking that "high powered" rifles wouldn't be allowed for hunting. Just my thinking though.
My thinking is, those that are that "less knowledgeable" don't know the limitations of straight-walled vs Bottle-Neck cartridges. Comes down to the reasons states and some areas within states were "Shotgun only" to begin with. Those reasons were....safety concerns because of the distances rifle bullets can carry and the amount of deer desired to be harvested. Most states have in recent years opened up season lengths and increased limits for deer, mainly because deer populations have exploded. No longer id there a need to restrict weapons used based on their ease and efficiency. Look at the legalization of crossbow use. Used to be a poachers choice, now it is the weapon of choice for a high amount of archers. Hunting practices and land ownership has changed so that hunting is not as dangerous as it once was. Blaze orange and required hunter safety programs. Fewer "deer Drives" because of smaller hunting parcels along with restricted access to many areas where rifles are prone to be more dangerous. Guns and hunters have become more accurate, so fewer shots are getting thrown at running deer. Add to that, deer hunting has become a sport where many hunters are picky about their quarry and their shots. Farming practices have changed so domestic animals are not pastured like they once were. The improvement in shotguns with rifled barrels, sabots and optics, meant that many new shotguns are as accurate and as effective, as most handgun caliber rifles out to 150 yards. Risk to domestic animals, structures and those living in and around those structures is the same. No real reason not to legalize handgun calibers. But....like everything else, folks will search for the edge of the envelope and gun/ammo makers are there to make a profit on that.
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Next we’ll see the development of the new 380 Deer Slam and the 450 Elk Master. They will closely resemble the old 38-55 and 45-70, but those are “Fudd” rounds so they aren’t worth a darn, but the new ones will be because a bunch of inter-webs blabber fingers will say so and videos will come forward to prognosticate on how great they are months before they hit the shelves or before anyone actually ever sees them.
mcb
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450 Elk Master already exists. Its called 450 Bushmaster. It's almost as good as 45/70 from a ballistics point of fiew but fits in an AR-15 magazine well. Sometimes these new cartridges are created not to be better than an old cartridge but to bring similar performance to a popular platform. The 360 Buck Hammer is simple the result of waning to put a medium caliber straight-wall cartridge into the popular 30-30 lever action size platform. It does not do anything better than other older cartridge but it does meet the arbitrary straight-wall requirement and is easily retrofitted into most existing 30-30 lever action designs.Next we’ll see the development of the new 380 Deer Slam and the 450 Elk Master. They will closely resemble the old 38-55 and 45-70, but those are “Fudd” rounds so they aren’t worth a darn, but the new ones will be because a bunch of inter-webs blabber fingers will say so and videos will come forward to prognosticate on how great they are months before they hit the shelves or before anyone actually ever sees them.
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You guys can slam all the new rounds all you want, but if it wasn't for them, people would have lost interest long ago and your hunting rights right along with it.
ANYTHING that keeps people interested is a good thing for gun owners and hunters.
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ANYTHING that keeps people interested is a good thing for gun owners and hunters.
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