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Not that many probably. Offhand, you’re certainly right.
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Certainly not this guy and I’m not that bad with a hand gun, but age is a factor also with me. If the man I spoke of does buy a NMA I’ll post targets here.
With firearms like the S&W models 52 or 41 or 25-2 clusters are one ragged hole at 50’, that’s at age 74..
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Of Harpers Ferry WV ?
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"With all that extra cost on the shooters model I am curious as to how many folks can actually shoot the difference between it and a well tuned ASM or Uberti.
Not that many probably. Offhand, you’re certainly right."
I disagree. I think most folks can shoot the difference if only they have more confidence and apply themselves to doing so. I don't think bad eyes is an excuse. If the eyes are that bad there are remedies such as glasses.
What does not help is a grossly out of spec gun with off sights, lousy chamber to barrel dimensions, and a bad forcing cone. How can anyone expect to improve their aiming technique to become a better shot if the gun they have will only shoot tight shot gun patterns at 15 yards no matter how it's loaded.
There seems to be some differences between the official shooters model and the dixie version such as a brass trigger guard on the dixie version as opposed to silver on the typical shooters model.
Dixie gun works uses the same ad as the shooters model which refers to gain twist rifling and winning competitions. I have seen the price flip flop between the official shooters model and the dixie version. At one time the dixie version was slightly more expensive and now it is slightly less expensive.
My impression is it's a Pietta shooters model with some slight changes in the way it looks. Dixie Gun works does not do a very good job explaining the nature of this model and their presentation may seem contradictory to someone who does not know.
I saw a modern day video of the Pietta factory (CNC age) where they show a rifling machine, I think their only one, for the shooters model. It produces gain twist rifling the old fashioned way milling one groove at a time. The man said it took 2 hours to finish rifling each barrel.
Does anyone have the the Dixie version ? Maybe they can explain because I would love a more detailed description.
"With all that extra cost on the shooters model I am curious as to how many folks can actually shoot the difference between it and a well tuned ASM or Uberti.
Not that many probably. Offhand, you’re certainly right."
I disagree. I think most folks can shoot the difference if only they have more confidence and apply themselves to doing so. I don't think bad eyes is an excuse. If the eyes are that bad there are remedies such as glasses.
What does not help is a grossly out of spec gun with off sights, lousy chamber to barrel dimensions, and a bad forcing cone. How can anyone expect to improve their aiming technique to become a better shot if the gun they have will only shoot tight shot gun patterns at 15 yards no matter how it's loaded.
There seems to be some differences between the official shooters model and the dixie version such as a brass trigger guard on the dixie version as opposed to silver on the typical shooters model.
Dixie gun works uses the same ad as the shooters model which refers to gain twist rifling and winning competitions. I have seen the price flip flop between the official shooters model and the dixie version. At one time the dixie version was slightly more expensive and now it is slightly less expensive.
My impression is it's a Pietta shooters model with some slight changes in the way it looks. Dixie Gun works does not do a very good job explaining the nature of this model and their presentation may seem contradictory to someone who does not know.
I saw a modern day video of the Pietta factory (CNC age) where they show a rifling machine, I think their only one, for the shooters model. It produces gain twist rifling the old fashioned way milling one groove at a time. The man said it took 2 hours to finish rifling each barrel.
Does anyone have the the Dixie version ? Maybe they can explain because I would love a more detailed description.
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Mike OTDP
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Yup. Yes, a good gunsmith can work wonders on the common run of repros...but it helps a hell of a lot to not have to fix chamber alignment and chamber diameter.
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Today was range day so I supplied the friend mentioned with a Uberti Remington NMA with a 5 1/2 inch barrel and as many round balls as he wished to shoot. This is one target at 18 yards. 1.6 CC 3F, .filler and felt wad with a 454 round ball. Six shots. This was around the 4th or 5th cylinder he fired. I just bought the revolver from a user on another forum a few weeks ago.
Wednesday we will repeat with a stainless ROA.
The idea is he can see if he likes the fiddling around shooting black powder revolvers takes and which revolver he likes best. Remington or Ruger.
Wednesday we will repeat with a stainless ROA.
The idea is he can see if he likes the fiddling around shooting black powder revolvers takes and which revolver he likes best. Remington or Ruger.
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Dang! That boy can shoot!
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I certainly wouldn't care to stand in front of him.
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I know that I fell for the Uberti propaganda and bought an 1858 Taylors in 36 cal, and foolishly bought an extra cylinder too. The gun doesn't even want to cycle the cylinder when firing. Pietta only if ever again.
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dicky, I have an ASM that worked just fine until fired,then the recoil would cause it to jam Hand and hand spring issues, finely got !
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dicky, I have an ASM that worked just fine until fired,then the recoil would cause it to jam Hand and hand spring issues, finely got !
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The gun that fired the target posted is a Uberti as are the majority of my 23 others.
Got a feeling if you bought them new from Taylor’s that company will correct any difficulties.
Every product of every manufacturer has its share of lemons. The only way I’d own a GM product is if it were given to me. Just saying.
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The try out with the ROA seems to have settled the issue. While the 51/2 inch barrel of the Uberti NMA may have been a disadvantage, but not by much, over the ROA’s 71/2 in inch barrel, see photo previous post, the overall feel and balance of the ROA won out. The man shot this six shot group at the same distance. 2.2CC 3F, lubed wad .457 Round Ball.
He won a bid on a stainless ROA on gun broker, NIB for the paltry sum of $1100, not including tax and shipment. I’m gob smacked at the price these things bring in today.
He won a bid on a stainless ROA on gun broker, NIB for the paltry sum of $1100, not including tax and shipment. I’m gob smacked at the price these things bring in today.
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Back in the 70s I use to shoot at Friendship on the national range. In the pistol events I used a Lyman revolver [ 1858 NMA ] and it was accurate enough to shoot 100s at 25yd offhand. I can't do that anymore, but JMHO you'd have to be awful serious and good to need something better than most repos made today. Back then I owned a original NMA and believe it had gain twist rifling. At least I remember the rifling looking to appear to speed up the closer to the muzzle.
As much as a lot of people would hate to admit, the Japanese saved themselves and the United States by getting us with our massive industry into the war early before the Nazis had a chance to get entrenched and develop their many advanced technologies.
The way I see it is the US would have sold themselves into a hole due to short sighted greed if not rudely awakened by that swift kick in the butt. The loss of life, was regrettable.
Oh how things have changed.
There is a very good chance I would not accept a Mexican made rebranded GM product if it were given to me for free. While I am sure the Mexicans have the ability to make great autos it won't happen as long as the use of the most inexpensive garbage parts and materials from anywhere they can be found are insisted upon by managers that should have been trashed a long time ago.
I see the Pietta Shooter's model as something close to the higher quality workmanship that would have been produced by Remington and Colt in the 1800s. Back then people regularly used firearms not as a matter of convenience but necessity. I don't see it mentioned a lot but gain twist rifling works with both round ball and conicals.
Whether getting that shot on target before the threat came anywhere near you, like for instance a charging bear, or shooting game needed to feed your family, I doubt that minute of human silhouette accuracy at 15 yards in larger duty sized firearms would be tolerated let alone malfunctions due to bad quality control. I can't help but think of GM as a prime example of malfunctions and bad quality control as well as wasting gas and burning a hole in the wallet.
Word would probably spread fast and people would buy their guns from another firearms company that would do a better job. Kinda like people choosing Toyota (they employ more Americans by the way) over GM.
No scientific data would have been required. People back then would know wether a gun was accurate and effective or not because they were an important part of daily life.
The way I see it is the US would have sold themselves into a hole due to short sighted greed if not rudely awakened by that swift kick in the butt. The loss of life, was regrettable.
Oh how things have changed.
There is a very good chance I would not accept a Mexican made rebranded GM product if it were given to me for free. While I am sure the Mexicans have the ability to make great autos it won't happen as long as the use of the most inexpensive garbage parts and materials from anywhere they can be found are insisted upon by managers that should have been trashed a long time ago.
I see the Pietta Shooter's model as something close to the higher quality workmanship that would have been produced by Remington and Colt in the 1800s. Back then people regularly used firearms not as a matter of convenience but necessity. I don't see it mentioned a lot but gain twist rifling works with both round ball and conicals.
Whether getting that shot on target before the threat came anywhere near you, like for instance a charging bear, or shooting game needed to feed your family, I doubt that minute of human silhouette accuracy at 15 yards in larger duty sized firearms would be tolerated let alone malfunctions due to bad quality control. I can't help but think of GM as a prime example of malfunctions and bad quality control as well as wasting gas and burning a hole in the wallet.
Word would probably spread fast and people would buy their guns from another firearms company that would do a better job. Kinda like people choosing Toyota (they employ more Americans by the way) over GM.
No scientific data would have been required. People back then would know wether a gun was accurate and effective or not because they were an important part of daily life.
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Eyrie G. Dogg
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Pietta has come a long long way since they got CNC'd about twenty years ago. Not just better in degree but better in kind. I have some of their revolvers from both eras and out of the box the difference is amazing.
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I pretty much agree with you except for the ridiculously tall front sights on Remingtons and the grossly obese grips on the newer ones. However there are exceptions to the older ones. I have this .36 Remington made in 76 that I wouldn't trade for a new one. It's nice except some monkey scored the cylinder. The front sight is a little tall but not nearly as bad as new ones. The grips are nice and slim, more in line with originals without all the proud wood. The frame has turned a nice plum color.
Captain*kirk
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I agree completely. Plus, spare parts actually 'fit' without dragging out the files, and many are interchangeable. This ain't your father's Pietta.
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I believe I read somewhere that the plum color comes from copper leaching out into the bluing. I have and older Lyman (ASP) circa 1972 that is doing the same thing. I like it! Adds character.
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A little off thread but I hear you. If it’s not Chrysler or Ford in a pick up or van, I’m not interested. Oddly the wife and I also have a1996 Mercedes C220. I leased that car in 96 then bought out the lease in 99. It’s the best running car I’ve ever owned, bar none.And the only way I'd own a Jap auto or truck is if I wanted to celebrate Pearl Harbor Day. Just saying.
I’d love on of those big Ford all electric pickups but at my age it would be a waste of money.
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It could be that along with the frame being cast. I had a Ruger Single Six doing it too. I don't think I've ever seen a forged frame do it.
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In 2011 [CH] I splurged* and bought a Pietta Remington 5.5" .44 and their 6.5" .36; a family member got a 5.5" on the same order from Cabela's. It took two or three years of use for us to notice that the frames were taking on a purple cast. I love that look. All three are hella "plummy" now. We feel lucky about that. It's a fine look. Damn great shooters, too.
* Not much of a 'splurg', Those guns only cost $179.00 each. We won't see that again.
* Not much of a 'splurg', Those guns only cost $179.00 each. We won't see that again.
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