Remington R51

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R51

Close, but with the consolidation of all the info (from everyone), the R51 is smaller, lighter, streamlined, and more user friendly than the Wilson/ Combat/ Commander types.
 
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"The R51 looks to be about as big as a combat commander to me, give or
take."

I, too, recall them editing the "commander" bit to reflect the 'truth' about the gun. As I remember, the one pictured was more a combo of Officer and Commander in a few ways (admittedly not a 1911 guy, here), with the shorter barrel but longer grip (Nick would obviously be incapable of shooting an Officer length grip, remember? ;)). I would agree the R51 may have a grip the size of a commander, but the rest is smaller (by virtue of shorter fixed barrel design) and there isn't a huge beaver tail/hammer hanging off the end which everyone seems to neglect as if it isn't there jabbing you. And it is in a smaller caliber which many people will readily say they prefer to 45acp from a comparably sized/weighted pistol. Not anywhere insignificantly narrower, either ('yeah, only a fifth, or so' :rolleyes:)

1911 Officer; 6+1 rounds 45acp. 45acp is 18% larger than 9mm. 6+.18*6=7.08 --Ta Da! R51's capacity! How many fingers can you fit on an Officer grip again?

They're single stack guns, guys, multiply the rim diameter by the capacity to see how much difference there can be in capacity for a compact sized gun :rolleyes:. If someone had had the initiative to do this when the first specs were released, they'd have realized the overall height reputed by reviewers was flatly wrong. Scaling the photo would have revealed the OAL was flatly wrong.

It seems we've learned the recipe to scuttle any new product release; get one of the first reviewers to make some completely off-base claim about the product's capabilities, and wait for the bomb to explode once others get their hands on it. I hear the next iPhone has thought-activated controls, guys --super hot stuff to get all excited about!

"Hmmm....The more info that comes out, the more I feel the whole affair is a wee bit hyped."
Obviously. It had better be if Remington has a brain in their head. It's only the first handgun they've brought to market in like forever (a 1911 only half-counts). The 'hype' is mostly being created via frustrated rumor, though, so let's not put all the blame on the big green gorilla. Still not sure why people expect a gun utterly-divorced from the last 100 years of firearms development to have similar take-down to the great-great-great-great-grandson of the Browning :confused:

God, just imagine how bad this whole affair would have been if people would've had a whole year or more to gnash and speculate...smart move on the secret last-minute unveiling --the only smart move ;)

TCB
 
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Re: The R51

It certainly is not the elephant in the room, or the 800 lb. gorilla, but it is "the new kid on the block." If I don't buy one, I'll be surprised, and it'll have to be for a good reason.:D
 
silicosys4 said:
the ttag quote goes;
"With the smaller Officer sized 1911, the R51 is almost exactly the same size"
He never compares the r51 to a combat commander, and never to a 3.5" Wilson, like you say

The TTAG article originally described the R51 as "almost exactly the same size" as a "Commander-size 1911" on January 10, but that description was changed to a "smaller Officer sized 1911" on January 11.

The 3rd sentence of the article is clear:
In particular, I wanted to compare the size and characteristics of the R51 to two handguns: the iconic GLOCK 19 and my Wilson Combat Bill Wilson Carry 1911.

A Bill Wilson Carry Pistol is 7.6" x 4.9" - a Commander slide on an Officer frame.

The caption of under the 3rd photo is also clear:
R51 atop a Commander 1911

Instead of providing dimensions that would have allowed readers to knowledgeably judge for themselves, the article contained loose language and gave the impression the R51 was larger than it is (6.625" x 4.625").
 
The TTAG article originally described the R51 as "almost exactly the same size" as a "Commander-size 1911" on January 10, but that description was changed to a "smaller Officer sized 1911" on January 11.

The 3rd sentence of the article is clear:

A Bill Wilson Carry Pistol is 7.6" x 4.9" - a Commander slide on an Officer frame.

The caption of under the 3rd photo is also clear:

Instead of providing dimensions that would have allowed readers to knowledgeably judge for themselves, the article contained loose language and gave the impression the R51 was larger than it is (6.625" x 4.625").

That's not what I get out of it. He posted a picture that shows the size comparison, its right there to see, I don't see any smoke and mirrors.
Besides, he wasn't lying. Except for the extra 0.6" in the grip of a combat commander, they are almost the same size. I have seen people stretch much more in describing two guns as almost the same size. It compares much more closely to an Officers size 1911 but the combat commander isn't a huge stretch as I see it.

From the ttag article
"With the smaller Officer sized 1911, the R51 is almost exactly the same size. It’s slightly shorter thanks to the lack of an external baseplate on the magazine, and the lack of a beavertail means that it’s overall length is less as well. But again it’s the details that matter, and even with Bill Wilson’s personal touches, there’s no doubt that the R51 is a much slimmer and sleeker design."

No doubt the gun carries a bit better, but dimensionally the r51 is not much smaller than a colt officer with a commander slide. A 3.5" officer-framed 1911 would be smaller than the R51. Not slimmer and lighter though.
 
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silicosys4 said:
That's not what I get out of it.

No problem. I prefer facts (6.625" x 4.625") over someone's impressions. I can compare facts to other facts, but comparing impressions to facts, not so much.
 
That nick guy TTAG did not get slide bit . No cuts or blood anywhere just a red area between thumb and idex finger from a pounding from 500 rounds from a lighter gun than he liked anyhow. He's was just a wuss.
 
"...we've got a fixed barrel..." Daniel Cox, Product Manager, PARA/REMINGTON, Booth Staff, 2014 SHOT Show

From what I've seen it is not a true fixed barrel, like a PPK, or Makarov PM, or HK P7. Rather it is a removable slide -fit steel barrel on an aluminum frame, somewhat similar to the all steel WW2 era M1934 Beretta. Since it is not a true fixed barrel, there has to be some movement (under recoil) between the steel barrel and the aluminum frame... wonder if it will cause frame cracking? Don't know. They could make it a steel frame and then it would make for a good range workhorse in addition to a carry pistol.

Also looks big, about the size of the proven Sig P239.

Nice Art Deco styling, hope it does well.
 
Anyone had a chance to pick one up and check it out yet? My dealer hasn't received any yet. Kind of excited to hear a 'non-YouTube' review. I find myself in the market for a small 9mm pistol even though it will not be my carry piece. I almost picked up a Ruger LC9 despite the fact I'm not much into Tactical Tupperware. So, with the R51 coming out, it may be my latest addition.
 
Somebody saw that on Academy's website. I don't think we've yet confirmed that any live person every actually saw an R-51 in an Academy.

My guess is a little bit longer before you really see them - and they'll probably be rare for a while after that.
 
Somebody saw that on Academy's website. I don't think we've yet confirmed that any live person every actually saw an R-51 in an Academy.

My guess is a little bit longer before you really see them - and they'll probably be rare for a while after that.
Yes --- I went to my local Academy Friday and no R51 in stock. The counterpersons had heard of the gun but had no idea if/when they'd be getting any, and that seems to be the general state of affairs at Academy with regards to all stock.
 
I got to fondle an R51 at the Great American Outdoor show. I liked it and will look to get one.

The Remington representative said they would be shipping at the end of February, which is about now.
 
I've noticed a couple of people pointing out websites where R51s are listed as "out of stock" and saying, "they had them until they sold out." I don't think that's it at all. I think these companies are just gearing up for demand. I think they list them in preparation of getting orders, and in anticipation of people who want one signing up to be notified once they're in stock (whereupon those customers will hopefully order from them). In other words, just because they're listed on the site as out of stock, doesn't mean they were ever in stock, it just means that vendor has put up a web page to take orders for this pistol so they can start selling them as soon as possible once they become available. These vendors are just trying to steal a march on their competitors.
 
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