Remington R51

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Speaking for myself, I'm glad those earlier estimated measurements were wrong. I don't want a true subcompact. I don't pocket carry, and I'd rather have a slightly larger gun (that still disappears in an IWB holster) for a little extra magazine capacity and better control. This new Remington seems to contain precisely the features I want in a carry gun.
 
I never considered the R51 as a pocket pistol, but as an IWB pistol, so even if it isn't necessarily as small as some initially thought it was going to be, it will still be something I will pick up for myself.
 
Why haven't we seen (at least me) any video of take down and reassemble procedures on this piece? Those rings on the barrel make me wonder how much pull is needed for the job.
 
It measures the same height and length as my Colt 1903, and that gun fits my Wrangler pockets just fine.

It's no subcompact by today's standards, but it'll do until some specialty gunsmith comes up with a chopped version.
 
I handled the R51 today at the Outdoor Show in Harrisburg, PA, and was VERY impressed. The Remington rep said it would be available at the end of February.

I handled one at the Outdoor Show as well and liked it as well. I am interested.

The Remington reps have their story straight as they also told me shipping at the end of February.
 
"It's no subcompact by today's standards, but it'll do until some specialty gunsmith comes up with a chopped version."

It's also not in a subcompact caliber, which seems to get lost in the mix a lot. Imagine the "appeal" of a two/three finger grip subby that can fire 9mm +P loads :eek::evil:. It'd be the 357 K-frame all over again :p

FWIW, there are a few internet goobers claiming to see them already, though I'm sure that bunkus trolling, or goobers who are mistaking a G42 for the R51 :D. I will definitely be asking around the next several weeks as they "deploy" into the surrounding "area of operations" (to borrow some tack-speek from that goofy video :neener:). Aside from what are mostly marketing blunders thus far, it still seems unlikely the gun can be utterly terrible out of the gate. That said, I still wouldn't pre-order for one sight unseen --that's truly asking for trouble. A quick once-over to make sure the gun feeds snap caps and actually has a working striker and safety, and doesn't bind up when cycled will allay any fears of "uncertainty" I might have. If it can do those things, it can at worst be "imperfect" rather than unworkable.

TCB
 
I am interested in this gun however, I dont understand how it can be safely carried with a round in the chamber and still be considered single action. If it posesses a true "single action" trigger with only a grip safety, it seems like a signifigant departure from the orthodoxy concerning the carry of single actions.
 
I have 3 original Remington 51s. Two are .32 acp and one is an unfired .380 in original box with paperwork.

I got the first one at a pawn shop when in college for $60 back in 1965. The others I picked up about 15 years later.
They are the most natural pointing gun I have ever held and I have had and held very many. If the new ones are within 95% of the external dimensions as the originals, they will sell a bunch, especially since they are supposed to be available in 9mm and .40 S&W.

The only drawback of the guns I have is they are a pain to disassemble and assemble. The oldest one I have is so worn that it occasionally will double fire and is not safe for that reason. Parts seem to be unavailable for the originals.

If I pick one up and it points and feels similar to the original, I will buy it .. you will too. :D
 
I am interested in this gun however, I dont understand how it can be safely carried with a round in the chamber and still be considered single action. If it posesses a true "single action" trigger with only a grip safety, it seems like a signifigant departure from the orthodoxy concerning the carry of single actions.
All a gun needs to be, in order to be a single action, is a hammer that has to be manually cocked, and is released by pressing the trigger. That, by definition, is a single action -- the trigger performs one action: releasing the hammer (or striker, in some), not two: cocking and releasing the hammer/striker. It doesn't need a thumb safety in order to somehow qualify.

The fact that the vast majority of single actions have thumb safeties is merely indicative of the fact that most people perceive a need for them, but a gun is still a single action if it has to be manually cocked before firing. There have been single action semi-autos before that had no manual safeties (e.g. the Polish VIS-35 Radom [that thing that looks like a 1911-style thumb safety is nothing more than a take down latch], and the Russian TT-33). For that matter, on the original Model 51, the thumb safety was advertised by Remington as being there as an extra measure of safety for those who wanted it, but they also said the gun could safely be carried with a round chambered, and the user relying on the grip safety only. I've carried one that way for years.

Most people see a need for a thumb safety on a single action auto because of the short, light trigger pull, and the short amount of take up. DA revolvers and autos are not perceived to need them simply because the longer, heavier pull provides the needed margin of safety to avoid negligent discharges (as long as you remember to exercise proper gun handling habits). Guns like the Glock which are not quite one nor the other, mechanically, still have no manually operated safety because again, the length and the weight of the trigger pull are thought to provide an adequate margin of safety. The old Model 51 had a trigger pull in the 5-7 pound range (which is about what Glocks come with today), and enough take up that a manual safety wasn't considered absolutely necessary. No doubt Remington feels the same way about the R51, and the current demand for modern pistols with no manual safeties no doubt led the company to rely on the grip safety, and a slightly heavier, longer SA trigger than most 1911s have, and leave it at that.
 
Pato - I've got an original 51 in .380. It was carried by my wife's grandfather here in Texas during the '20s through the '40s - hence no finish left on the slide. Have the box with all papers (including the penny postcard) & bore brush. However the box has fallen apart and I'd like to find a competent bookbinder or skilled artisan to restore it.

Best ergonomics on any pistol I own, including my Ruger SR45 and Kahr CW45

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My box has deteriorated too. The black covering is peeling off.

How about their "modern" filing system to keep track of your purchase? ;) I laughed when I first saw that guy with the high starched collar in front of a wooden filing cabinet.
 
There is a partial but valid comparison between the forthcoming R51 and the P7. They come from different continents, significantly different operation systems and were invented a half century apart from one another.
But a mid-scale, low bore axis, all steel, smooth exterior semi auto does bring some commonality to the picture. Interestingly I just started a search for a low-priced 9mm that I could put in a pack, or the trunk of the car without too much worry.
Unless Remington really messes this up, I'll be very happy to buy one though I'll wait for any bugs to get shaken out.
I am a bit disappointed at the limited round count but that reminds me of the P7 again. The narrow gripped M8 with 8 rounds, and the thicker M13. I'd buy one of each for sure.
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I just held this today at the Great American outdoor show in PA. Wow I love the size. I cannot wait to shoot it. The slide is very easy to rack they said they designed it that way for user friendliness. My wife could not rack a 1911 or any other pistol today (of course I couldn't teach her) but had no issues with this one. I liked the crimson trace model as well.
 
Has anyone seen the specs on this gun, i.e. length, width, weight, etc. I can't find this info anywhere even on Remington's website. Is this info out there yet?

You know what - never mind. The more I look at it the more I think I'll pass.
 
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When I first saw this on the cover of G&A I thought it was another polymer wonder gun at first, when I found out it was all metal that made it all the better in my eyes. I do think its a shame that it doesn't come with rosewood or walnut grips. In my you tube wonderings I discovered that Gen Patton sometimes carried. I forget weather it was the .32 or the .380. I am surprised Remington doesn't play up that connection. I prefer to pocket carry for ccw, sometimes it's an LCP other times the G27 gets the nod. To me the R51 looks like a nice compromise giving more bang Than the ruger and less bulk than the chubby baby glock. I look forward to these hitting the shelves.
 
I read that it was tested with 5000 rounds of a variety of ammo. The testers were not even standing on the ground but on spent cases.

There was supposed to be only one failure from the whole bunch.
 
I really didn't think the video was full of "tach speak". They used all the terms and buzzwords you would find in any sort of thorough evaluation. The emphasis seemed to be about ease of use. Go watch the video again, it's all of 2 minutes. Maybe the music turned you off, but I think the video was well done and certainly not over the top.

I know, I know, everybody is an expert. If they only listened to me they sell a million, I tell ya!

BTO!
 
Whatever opinion one may have of the merits of the video(s), Remington has dropped the ball badly on the initial marketing of the R51.

A fact sheet should have been provided to the writers at the Gunsite preview to ensure against the type of inaccurate information that was published about the gun. Given what happened, Remington should have promptly released corrected information.

Today, "official" information about the R51 is either strewn throughout a couple of videos or hidden in Remington's 2014 catalog. The company seems blissfully unaware that even a single webpage providing the R51's specifications would be hugely helpful to many, many potential customers.
 
They don't have the best track record for releasing new products. Look how poor of a job they did with .260 and did the .30 RAR ever come out?
 
Remington Promotionals, Reviews & Products

Remington has a history of exceptional products, going back over the last 150 years. Starting with the cap & ball era, to the original Model 51, and more recently, the great Model 780 Pump and the marvelous new 1911 .45 autoloader, the company has done well.

I'm least concerned over promotionals than products. In any event, "It could always be better".

I'm sure Remington will attempt to "fill in the gaps" along the way, as best they can.

I look forward to reviewing the R51 "up close and personal".:)
 
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