Remingtons Offical response.

[barnbwt]

"Forget the safety is even there."
This has always been how I've approached bolt guns. I don't hunt, but is the motion of carefully lowering a bolt handle really that much harder to conceal than flicking off a safety? My perception is that the safety is used so a gun can be rested, locked & loaded, on a rest (or wall) indefinitely until such time as the game is in play. Unless you're hunting like Jude Law ("I am a stooown...") I don't see how a bolt handle would scare an animal any easier than simply getting into aimed position would --especially considering how many safeties snap into place. And if you need to keep the sights on the animal for any length of time as it approaches, I fail to see how a safe trigger is at a disadvantage --it's not like you'll be knocking the gun around or pointing in unsafe directions as you achieve your final hold before the kill.

I do think safeties are "useful" for turning your killing instrument into a mere telescope*, but I also think a spotting scope is much better for this. Aiming a loaded gun at something you do not wish to shoot at--like a deer that's well beyond your range-- is still a Rules violation. Again; spotting scope, or unlock the bolt, first.

Please correct me if I'm missing something, here.

TCB

 

[stiab]

Be careful what you ask for.

It was bound to happen, another Rem 700 thread filled up with owners who deny the problem simply because it has never happened to their gun. Well, it has happened to lots of folks, and the evidence is overwhelming that a design flaw has caused a bunch of 700's to fire when they shouldn't. If that weren't true, Remington would not be taking the current action.

 

[MCgunner]

It was bound to happen, another Rem 700 thread filled up with owners who deny the problem simply because it has never happened to their gun. Well, it has happened to lots of folks, and the evidence is overwhelming that a design flaw has caused a bunch of 700's to fire when they shouldn't. If that weren't true, Remington would not be taking the current action.

Lots of folks? Why haven't the boards been overwhelmed by the throngs of folks that this has happened to? Why have i never HEARD of it happening to anyone I know?

Lots of folks? I just don't buy it. It's supposed to have been killing people since 1948 and no one has ever spoke up about it on a board before all this lawsuit stuff comes out, no one I know has ever had the problem?

Whatever. I took my m7 out this morning and it functioned flawlessly, though unfortunately I didn't have to make a shot. Carry on.....

 

[119er]

I once looked at a 700 in a pawn shop. As soon as it was in my hands I could see it was a Bubba "Tactical" rig in .223. When doing a function check it dropped the striker(?) every time. The trigger was so light just resting your finger on it would trip it. A few times it would "fire" when the bolt was closed briskly. I told the guy at the counter the rifle is unsafe and it needs to be fixed. Response; "We'll get right on that." Went in a couple of weeks later and looked again. Can you guess it was never fixed?

That said, obviously someone was playing where they shouldn't have been in this case. I'm not defending the 700 trigger, and I don't disagree that the problem exists. I own two 700's in the recall but mine won't be going back. If anything, I'll just upgrade to an aftermarket trigger anyway.

 

[stiab]

Why haven't the boards been overwhelmed by the throngs of folks that this has happened to?

That's exactly what I'm talking about, I have read threads on this subject for the last several years on THR, S&W, and NCH&F, and there are many people stating the actual problems they have had. You have either not been reading these threads or choose to ignore them. If Remington can admit there is a problem, then it should be hard for individual users to deny.

 

[MCgunner]

That's exactly what I'm talking about, I have read threads on this subject for the last several years on THR, S&W, and NCH&F, and there are many people stating the actual problems they have had. You have either not been reading these threads or choose to ignore them. If Remington can admit there is a problem, then it should be hard for individual users to deny.

The whole thing has blown up in the last few years. I NEVER heard of it before, ever, not when I got a computer, not by word of mount in the 60s forward, ever. All of a sudden, a M700 is a dangerous product. I suspect some Remington hate going on, but maybe that's just because I'm so used to that with my Taurus revolvers. Quien sabe.

 

[Kynoch]

http://www.remington.com/pages/news...s/remington correction of cnbc reporting.aspx

That's a long way from the fabricated "billion dollar" cost and "recall" of nearly 8M rifles.

 

[stiab]

The whole thing has blown up in the last few years. I NEVER heard of it before, ever, not when I got a computer, not by word of mount in the 60s forward, ever. All of a sudden, a M700 is a dangerous product. I suspect some Remington hate going on

I believe that you never heard of it until recently, but that does not mean it was not happening, and it certainly did not occur "all of a sudden". I'm not sure what a Remington "hater" is, I've never encountered one.

Like you, I have never had a problem with any of my personal Remington rifles, but enough people have to determine that there is a serious safety issue.