Cosmoline
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gunsmith
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Yup it sure is
In some CA counties it's also how you score a ccw, but with more $$
In some CA counties it's also how you score a ccw, but with more $$
cassandrasdaddy
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make friends with the worst family in the area. keeps the leeser bad guys away
make friends with the worst family in the area. keeps the leeser bad guys away
Booby traps in Louisiana
I searched the Lousiana code, and couldn't find anything allowing booby traps or spring traps.
I did find a case from the Louisana Court of Appeals. The court said:
"Therefore, we find that the use of a mechanical device, set to automatically discharge, cannot insulate the party who installed it from the responsibility for the death or destruction it causes under the guise of justifiable homicide."
State v. Britt, 510 So. 2d 670, 674 (La. Ct. App. 1987).
Since the court gives no exception for the use of a trap when a sign is posted, and I couldn't find any mention in the LA code, I believe there is no exception in Louisiana for the use of booby traps with a sign posted.
I would be interested if anyone can contradict this with a cite to a case or Louisiana state law.
I searched the Lousiana code, and couldn't find anything allowing booby traps or spring traps.
I did find a case from the Louisana Court of Appeals. The court said:
"Therefore, we find that the use of a mechanical device, set to automatically discharge, cannot insulate the party who installed it from the responsibility for the death or destruction it causes under the guise of justifiable homicide."
State v. Britt, 510 So. 2d 670, 674 (La. Ct. App. 1987).
Since the court gives no exception for the use of a trap when a sign is posted, and I couldn't find any mention in the LA code, I believe there is no exception in Louisiana for the use of booby traps with a sign posted.
I would be interested if anyone can contradict this with a cite to a case or Louisiana state law.
HankB
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Texas law explicitly prohibits the use of "mechanisms" which may kill or injure an intruder. So no pits full of vipers, deadfalls, or trap guns. I'd be surprised if other states allowed it.
Not having a cabin myself, I've never faced the problem of tresspassers breaking in, but I HAVE heard of a few ways people have supposedly dealt with them - don't know which (if any) are true, since I heard these second or third hand . . . getting caught doing this would probably prove to be an expensive learning experience . . .
* Guy had a couple of hundred acres in Minnesota he hunted deer on. One time he comes and finds two vehicles parked on his private - posted - road . . . cautious investigation shows guys in HIS deer stands. Not wanting to confront armed men (and as pete f wrote "The LEO's dont care usually as it is probably their kids or friends and you are an out of towner. . . ) he noticed their vehicles were unattended . . . fill in the blanks.
* A guy with some land had his gate lock cut repeatedly. So he placed some rebar in the middle of the track, pointing up, like a tank trap. Next week, goes up, and there's evidence that someone driving down his road got the bottom of their motor torn out.
* Guy had a cabin up somewhere in Michigan. There were a LOT of snowmobilers breaking into cabins. (Snowmobiles were a new fad way back then.) "Someone" strung wire between trees about 3 or 4 feet off the ground.
* Guy claimed he "forgot" some booze in his cabin. Bottle and a few other things disappeared when the cabin was broken into. There was rat poison or something in the whiskey.
Not having a cabin myself, I've never faced the problem of tresspassers breaking in, but I HAVE heard of a few ways people have supposedly dealt with them - don't know which (if any) are true, since I heard these second or third hand . . . getting caught doing this would probably prove to be an expensive learning experience . . .
* Guy had a couple of hundred acres in Minnesota he hunted deer on. One time he comes and finds two vehicles parked on his private - posted - road . . . cautious investigation shows guys in HIS deer stands. Not wanting to confront armed men (and as pete f wrote "The LEO's dont care usually as it is probably their kids or friends and you are an out of towner. . . ) he noticed their vehicles were unattended . . . fill in the blanks.
* A guy with some land had his gate lock cut repeatedly. So he placed some rebar in the middle of the track, pointing up, like a tank trap. Next week, goes up, and there's evidence that someone driving down his road got the bottom of their motor torn out.
* Guy had a cabin up somewhere in Michigan. There were a LOT of snowmobilers breaking into cabins. (Snowmobiles were a new fad way back then.) "Someone" strung wire between trees about 3 or 4 feet off the ground.
* Guy claimed he "forgot" some booze in his cabin. Bottle and a few other things disappeared when the cabin was broken into. There was rat poison or something in the whiskey.
FireBreather01
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I have no problem with teaching an intruder/vandal some hard lessons but stringing up wire or putting rebar in the ground has killed ATV'ers and snowmobilers - you really want to spend 10 years in prison for killing some punk 17 year olds that are just tearing through your property? They're not raping and pillaging for cryin' out loud, so this kind of response is unrealistic and dangerous.
pcf
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Before you come up with any brilliant plans on how to stop intruders or teach them a lesson, please remember that your cabin isn't judgement proof, and is a juicy prize for scumbags and scumbag lawyers alike.
Even if you win a lawsuit you may find yourself uninsurable which can get you in hot water with the bank (if you don't own your home/property outright) and may stop any future loans to purchase a home or property (no insurance = no loan)
yy
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pcf:
I understand your message -- don't forget the consequences of our own actions if we are tempted to "teach a lesson".
Still, getting scared into inaction due to the many possible consequences is a bad thing too.
Probably another way to think is the "if you can't fight them, join them". In this instance, how about just sharing. With most regular folks, even thieves and bored teenagers, why not be generous and share your wealth.
You can always keep the irreplacibles and the treasures close to you, right? (if _everything_ you own is in that category, you have a different problem).
I understand your message -- don't forget the consequences of our own actions if we are tempted to "teach a lesson".
Still, getting scared into inaction due to the many possible consequences is a bad thing too.
Probably another way to think is the "if you can't fight them, join them". In this instance, how about just sharing. With most regular folks, even thieves and bored teenagers, why not be generous and share your wealth.
You can always keep the irreplacibles and the treasures close to you, right? (if _everything_ you own is in that category, you have a different problem).
HankB
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firebreather and pcf, note that in my original post I wrote
In particular, the part about stringing wire between trees is disturbing, as it's very non-discriminatory, that is, it can easily harm some innocent who's only taking a shortcut through the woods.
The other items are less random - note that unlike setting a trap gun, deadfall, or something of the kind, all the other items retain the element of plausible deniability.
And the presumed damage to trespasser's cars doesn't involve harming a person.
In particular, the part about stringing wire between trees is disturbing, as it's very non-discriminatory, that is, it can easily harm some innocent who's only taking a shortcut through the woods.
The other items are less random - note that unlike setting a trap gun, deadfall, or something of the kind, all the other items retain the element of plausible deniability.
And the presumed damage to trespasser's cars doesn't involve harming a person.
Cabin Security
Dig a moat?
Put up a sign "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
Seriously though, the best thing to do is investigate some local "haunted legends". Start putting up freaky Blair Witch stuff and see if you can't rig a few sound traps.
You could also put a CD on a loop 30 min of silents then Da Da Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding DIng.... Deliverance....
Go buy a bunch of display manquins and decorate your house with them.... Have the staged sitting around the house as if people were talking before the were turned to wood, but chop and arm off, half a head.... Gruesome stuff...
Dude, If I saw a cabin with all the above, I would go mess with someone else.
BTW, tell the neighbors that weird and strange things have been happening.... You think the place is haunted and that big foot uses your cabin as a lover shack, that there is an Indian Burial Ground under it...
The more infamous it is, the more people are likely to just leave you alone....
Dig a moat?
Put up a sign "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
Seriously though, the best thing to do is investigate some local "haunted legends". Start putting up freaky Blair Witch stuff and see if you can't rig a few sound traps.
You could also put a CD on a loop 30 min of silents then Da Da Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding DIng.... Deliverance....
Go buy a bunch of display manquins and decorate your house with them.... Have the staged sitting around the house as if people were talking before the were turned to wood, but chop and arm off, half a head.... Gruesome stuff...
Dude, If I saw a cabin with all the above, I would go mess with someone else.
BTW, tell the neighbors that weird and strange things have been happening.... You think the place is haunted and that big foot uses your cabin as a lover shack, that there is an Indian Burial Ground under it...
The more infamous it is, the more people are likely to just leave you alone....
answerguy
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I think it's no different than in years past. Isolated property has always been vulnerable to lowlifes.
gometika
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It's almost impossible to keep these secure.
It's been going on for thousands of years, just look at the pyramids, they're not immune to break-ins and theft. Even underwater shrines have been vandalized.
It's been going on for thousands of years, just look at the pyramids, they're not immune to break-ins and theft. Even underwater shrines have been vandalized.
pcf
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Not sure how you could claim plausible denuiability in any of those cases, but if you tried you would be held vicariously liable.
So what. No personal physical injury has to occur for someone to have standing to sue. Under criminal law the attempting to commit a crime is a crime and damaging others property is a crime. Even when they are trespassing.
It doesn't make sense to commit felonies or risk your vacation property, savings, home, and financial future to stop a trespasser or thief. Life isn't fair and the systems sucks, but that's reality, don't make it any easier for the badguys to win.
MD_Willington
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Wooden structure meet Stihl chainsaw...
was thinking the same. I discussed this with my uncle as he has a place on Northern Vancouver Island BC, he has been there only 3 times in about 5-10 years... He's been too busy to visit the cabin.
mindwip
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I love that, on so many levels, got me laughing good.
mpmarty
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Ya know, we need to stop and think about this a little bit. If I lived in a remote area (and I do) and had to work full time to pay my bills (and I do) and some yahoo had so much money he could buy a home (even it it was a "cabin" to him) and then not live in it and take enough time off work to enjoy having two homes, I think I might get a little edgy and think about twisting his tail a bit. That is where the lack of response from the local law enforcment comes into play. No, I don't condone the break-ins or thefts, but neither do I condemn the youngsters who perpetrate the misdeeds. They are generally not for profit and are just a way of thumbing their noses at the rich snob with the extra home. In my neighborhood, where neighbors watch out for each other even though they are more than a few thousand yards apart we have none of this type of trouble.
dragongoddess
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How about this. Place 2 headstones at the entrance to the property. On the headstones you write.
Trespasser #1
Neck shot at 125 yards
with a .308
180 grain Nosler Partiton
Trespasser #2
Center Mass at 162 yards
with a .416 Rigby
400 Grain Branes Triple X
Then throw some fresh dirt on it so it looks recent and maybe hire someone to take care of the 2 fake graves..
Trespasser #1
Neck shot at 125 yards
with a .308
180 grain Nosler Partiton
Trespasser #2
Center Mass at 162 yards
with a .416 Rigby
400 Grain Branes Triple X
Then throw some fresh dirt on it so it looks recent and maybe hire someone to take care of the 2 fake graves..
Declaration Day
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I purchased 15 acres of land in northern Michigan about five years ago.
I originally had plans to build a small cabin, but then decided against it. I wanted a place to enjoy, not to worry about when I'm not there.
So I bought an old travel trailer for $500, and parked it in my woods. It's barely road worthy, so if anyone decides to take it, the joke will be on them. I left the outside looking crappy to deter break-ins, but I did a low-cost renovation inside. Everything I leave in there is from the dollar store, just in case.
A couple of the local neighbors had left anonymous complaint notes about me and my friends shooting, despite the fact that we target shoot up there only 2-3 times per year.
I took the high road and knocked on a few doors to introduced myself. Everyone was very nice, though nobody admitted to writing the notes. Nonetheless I told them all that if there were any problems, they were welcome to walk up the driveway and talk to us. I also gave them all permission to walk their dogs along my trails, and to hunt my land.
To date, nothing has been stolen, vandalized or broken into.
I originally had plans to build a small cabin, but then decided against it. I wanted a place to enjoy, not to worry about when I'm not there.
So I bought an old travel trailer for $500, and parked it in my woods. It's barely road worthy, so if anyone decides to take it, the joke will be on them. I left the outside looking crappy to deter break-ins, but I did a low-cost renovation inside. Everything I leave in there is from the dollar store, just in case.
A couple of the local neighbors had left anonymous complaint notes about me and my friends shooting, despite the fact that we target shoot up there only 2-3 times per year.
I took the high road and knocked on a few doors to introduced myself. Everyone was very nice, though nobody admitted to writing the notes. Nonetheless I told them all that if there were any problems, they were welcome to walk up the driveway and talk to us. I also gave them all permission to walk their dogs along my trails, and to hunt my land.
To date, nothing has been stolen, vandalized or broken into.
Fly320s
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I guess that you have no qualms about stealing from your poor neighbors, since that would make you the "rich snob."
Wow ... just wow.
It doesn't matter that you pretend that you don't condone the stealing, damaging, or otherwise interfering with someone else's property for no better reason than what they choose to buy. You excuse those who would do so and even imply you are sore tempted to partake in the activites yourself. So enamored are you with your class hatred that you don't see the rediculousness of your position. You propose that because you work hard, anyone with more money than you have is a snob and deserves to have their property violated.
Well guess what? I work hard for my paycheck. I work between ten and sixteen hours five days a week and usually several more hours during the weekend. I don't own two homes ... I don't even own one. I rent a crappy little apartment because that's what I can afford right now. Would any of that in any way excuse me breaking your windows and stealing your possessions - just because you own a home and I don't?
I'm going to close this before several members are banned for advocating illegal acts.
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