removeing LIVE round jamed in chamber

[emmie]

was brought a rem700/233cal that the owner has jamed a live round in the chamber. had to remove the barrel to open the bolt.
he was reloading,and took some brass that was shot in another rifle and tryed out his new neck sizeing dies. did not full size first,sayes he did't know he had to.
so,here i am, with this live round stuck in chamber. the barrel chamber end is now sitting in a jar of kroil. think i might try tapping the bullet{hp} back into case to let oil kill powder then drive out.
first time with this problem,so i have a high pucker factor.
open to all suggestions

thank you-
emmie

 

[HSMITH]

Have you tried compressed air? Rubber tipped blowgun in the barrel, breech pointed at a pillow or something soft.

 

[Black Snowman]

Unless something strikes the primer it should be fairly safe.. Another option to neutraize the case would be to slowly and carefully drill a drain hole next to the primer and dump the powder out. Then you only have a primer charge to worry about and a hole for it to vent out of.

The compressed air idea is excellent if it works. Depending on how stuck it is you might have to crank up the pressure on your compressor quite a bit. If it's not enough or if you don't have a compressor see if you can get nitrogen tank. Lots of places can fill them now that they are used in paintball and you can get very high pressures with them.

 

[Art Eatman]

Clamp barrel in vise. Include something like a 1/2" thick, wide strip of plywood as barrier between you and ends of barrel.

Take a cleaning rod; cut it so that when it's touching the bullet it protrudes about an inch past your plywood barrier.

Tap with hammer. Heck, slam the heck out of it.

As long as you don't mess with the primer, it won't go off. Even if it does, it will be a low-level deal as the case will blow out of the chamber. You odn't want precious bodily parts in front of the muzzle area, of course.

Judicious caution in all this, natcherly.

Art

 

[gamachinist]

If air won't move it,hydraulic pressure may work.
A bore half filled with water or oil,and a tight fitting rod(or one fitted with a seal like an o ring)and a big hammer,might move it.

If you reinstall the barrel to the reciever,point the back end in a safe direction with the bolt to the rear,put a catch can over the open part of the reciever (an old bullet proof vest would be great),and whack the bullet with a close fitting rod,it may pop out.'
The likelyhood of a discharge is low working from the front.


Rather than drilling a hole in the case,I would try to remove it with a rod,and it may pop out as you try to drive the bullet into the case anyway.

So far the worst thing I have tackled along this line was a 9mm inserted in the magazine backwards and chambered!(A French MAB PA 15,the only one I have ever seen).
Since the case is pretty much straight,it was so far up in there I couldn't wiggle it loose by prying on the bullet,and couldn't take the gun down to work on it.
So,with the slide locked back,the open side pointed away,I found a large primer tube fit the bore,and would give clearance on the small primer.
With the pucker factor very high,it only took a gentle tap with a hammer and it popped free.

Robert.

 

[sm]

I have used "Art's School of Smithin'"

I cheated more than Art. Something about a .308 or '06 does that to me.

I used a pc of 4x4 with muzzle sized place using Brace and bit to allow muzzle to "nestle" into, then I drilled a hole for the cleaning rod. I used 2 vices...and using a 2x4...standing "over yonder" I whacked it hard with that 2x4!

I even donned the motorcyle helmet with face shield, welding gloves...that err on the side of caution dealie.

 

[Jim K]

I have removed a number of stuck rounds simply by using a cleaning rod and tapping them out. I have never had any let go, nor do I see why one would. I have never removed a barrel to do this, but if possible I do remove the bolt first so there is no possibility of a protruding firing pin firing the round or of a blow jarring off the sear. If the bolt cannot be removed, the firing pin often can or the gun otherwise made safe.

I do take the precaution of using eye protection, standing to the side and keeping both ends of the barrel pointed in a safe direction.

In general, though, if the round is anywhere near right and the bolt will close and lock, it is better to just fire the round. One poster on another site accidentally chambered a 7.62 NATO round in a .30 M1 and couldn't get it out. I told him to just shoot it. Instead, he followed the advice of others to use various instruments and ended up ruining the barrel.

Jim

 

[ClarkEMyers]

Didn't this situation kill somebody once?

Wasn't there a long seated tight necked bench rest situation with a drive the bullet back on the firing line, bolt out, and the drive back fired the powder which fired the case backwards as a projectile and caught somebody just passing behind the line? Analysis thought it likely the high loading density put the powder in the neck with the bullet for just the right squeeze at the wrong time and so ignited?

My understanding is that like the cartridges in a fire - see e.g. Hatcher - the case is the part that will blow for a vent or take off farther and faster.

I don't know that it does any good but I do like assorted chamber gauges and barrel stubs around the reloading bench.

Lots of things that could be done to fix it but I have no special insight.

 

[Edward429451]

Doesn't the 700 have a gas vent hole in the receiver? My 700 was stolen so I can't go check its exact location, but maybe a twist drill through the gas vent to penetrate the case and fill with oil to deactivate?

I may be wrong...tryin to help.

The hydralic idea sounded good, like depriming berdan brass.

The heat of compression is real...may want to ask the guy if its a compessed charge etc....

Unregulated dry nitrogen is 2000 psi BTW.

Good luck.

 

[C.R.Sam]

OR

Put it in the freezer overnight.

Sam

 

[sm]

Sam Is right - Freezer works.

I didn't know about the freezer trick until later in my case. Oh these two I dealt with were loaded guns that the chamber was rusty. I used a lot of penetrating oil. Sitting in a safe area all loaded up , but damp and cold rusted the bbl and chambers...I was being r-e-a-l careful. I called the Fire Dept to retrieve all that Black Powder that had been stored in the attic. Family didn't really know what all the old boy had until he passed.