Rented a bunch of handguns: VP9, Rhino, Coonan, PPQ, CZ75, etc.

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For my birthday I went to "Get Some Guns" in Orem, UT and paid a $25 flat rental fee plus $12 range fee (or something close) to rent as many guns as I wanted. They were friendly and accommodating. My eye caught a Coonan .357 and the Chiappa Rhino, which I'd been curious about, so those were the first two I tried.

Coonan: Quality all around. Great trigger, very easy to shoot well, recoil with full power factory .357s was not in any way painful. My 25 shots went into a single 1.5" hole at 7 yards, standing offhand. Loading the magazine was easy other than the last round, which felt like it would nose-in to the front of the mag, but when inserted and the slide dropped it fed flawlessly. I really enjoyed this pistol. 5 out of 5 stars.

Chiappa Rhino. 4" variety I believe... maybe 6. I'll have to check the video. I'd heard good things. I asked the staff member to explain any quirks of the design, the weird "hammer" etc. Felt okay in the hand. Double action was very snatchy and heavy toward the end. It would feel okay until right before the break and then would stack and felt like crap. I jerked many of my shots right. Single action was okay. I asked the dude if maybe it needed some oil. Felt like parts weren't sliding as easily as they should.

Based on others' reports I expected comfortable recoil, but I found it was still painful. Rubber grips may have helped, but in any case it wasn't dramatically better than other .357 revolvers I've fired, and much worse than the all-steel Coonan. 2 of 5 stars. More evaluation with a "known good" example warranted.

CZ-75 (BD I think... decocker DA/SA variant). I was really excited to try a CZ. I'd handled them but never shot one. Felt good in the hand. Trigger was excellent DA and stellar SA. I shot one mag SA and 10 rounds DA, and all shots went into a 2" hole. I was shooting pretty quickly and not overly concerned about accuracy but it happened naturally. Very impressed. Recoil of the 9mm was almost laughable after shooting the .357s. 5 out of 5 stars. I wanted to try an SP-01 but they didn't have one.

The clerk heard I wanted to try the CZ and said "you want to shoot another really cool CZ?" I said of course, and he ran to the back and brought out a tasty new FDE P-09. Trigger was almost as good as the 75, which had 10K rounds through it. Both DA and SA triggers felt great, ergos were great, handled and shot great. I shot 1 mag SA and 10 rounds DA. All shots went into a 2" hole at POA. Very nice gun. Clerk said the P07 variant is replacing the Glock 19 on his hip. My only issue with the P09 was the backstrap installed was a little slippery. I could have used a bit more grip texture overall. 4.5 out of 5 stars.

Walther PPQ original variant. I had tried the trigger on these before but hadn't shot them. I was not disappointed. The striker fired trigger on this model is simply astounding how good it is. The break is light, crisp-ish, and predictable. Reset is short and audible/tactile if that's important to you. Just and overall great trigger. Ergos were awesome apart from the paddle mag release, which I could get used to with training. I shot a mag through a 2" hole at 7 yards, then moved the target to 15 yards and put a few into about a 4" group, then realized I should have brought my prescription lenses. *cough*. 4.5 out of 5 stars.

VP9: I was looking forward to this because of all the hype, and because I really liked a P30 I shot once... the first H&K that made me want an H&K. Trigger on this example was very good for a striker-fired pistol, but not as good as the hype. The PPQ was clearly superior in that regard. All shots went through 2" hole, but the sharp groove in the trigger guard caused me much discomfort. This was quite disappointing and was a deal-breaker for me. I wonder if it could be melted/radiused out. I don't know why they do that. 3 out of 5... would be a 4 if my finger didn't get buggered up.

Beretta Nano: This variety had an extended magazine. The inside right edge of the frame where the trigger joined had a sharp burr that caught my finger and felt like some plastic tag had been left there to jab me every shot. Otherwise I liked the trigger, sights, and ergos. I'd have to remove that burr or maybe it's just the design of the pistol. 3 out of 5.

FN FNX 9mm. I only shot one mag through this because I hated it so much. DA trigger long and stacky and finger rubbed against the trigger guard before the shots broke. SA trigger nothing to write home about. Mag didn't drop free. Shots went into 3" group but probably due to crappy trigger and shooter dislike. 2 of 5 stars.

Had a great time. Wish I could do this and get paid for it. :D
 
Sounds like you had a great birthday! Really nice that you can try so many different guns out and get a real feel for how they actually perform.
 
I'm jealous, that sounds like a great birthday! Thanks for the report! I've been really curious about the Rhino, it's nice to hear a review from someone not being paid by the manufacturer/magazine sponsors. I know that this sounds like a silly question, but was the recoil on the Rhino different? As in hitting a different part of your hand making it uncomfortable? The design is so odd that it has really got me curious.

Thanks again, and happy birthday!
 
Great report. CZ's only get better from there. Try one without the decocker some time, and especially any that have been through CZ Custom like the Shadow T. Amazing guns, especially for the money.
 
For my money, the most useful gun out of that wild selection would be the CZ. But the most fun has to be the Coonan!
 
There's nothing like renting a gun and finding out what YOU like. Beats internet blather every time.

I'm impressed that you can rent a Coonan somewhere. It's one of my favorite pistols.

Thanks for the report and concise write-ups.
 
A great way to "try before you buy" if there is a gun rental range in your area. Checking things at the LGS is OK, but not as good as actually firing the gun or a similar gun before plunking down cash.

Jim
 
I know that this sounds like a silly question, but was the recoil on the Rhino different? As in hitting a different part of your hand making it uncomfortable?
It just felt like a lot of high-velocity, sharp recoil. Nothing close to a scandium framed .357 snub (nothing short of holding a grenade as it explodes would come lose to that), but it wasn't pleasant to shoot. Perhaps the hard plastic (I think they were wood-colored plastic) grips were poorly shaped for my hand. I imagine hot .38s would be fine.

Muzzle flip was indeed less than the Coonan, but the sharpness of the Rhino's recoil was painful. With the Coonan I would have happily shot it all day if someone else were buying the ammo. :D
 
What a great birthday. I disagree only on the H K but agree wholeheartedly on the Rhino that really bit my hand, and I love revolvers in general.
 
I own a four inch Rhino, and my experience has been quite the opposite of yours. The trigger on mine is just fine, and felt recoil is much lower than with a standard wheelgun. To me, magnum loads feel like .38's, and .38's are even lighter. Some of the earliest guns did need some trigger work. It also requires a slightly different grip than you're used to, due to the lower cylinder gap.
 
Thanks for writing this up. I was playing with a few guns yesterday, and am thinking about either a VP9 or PPQ for an EDC. The PPQ M1 is about $560 and the VP9 about $585. I really liked the PPQ better but thought surely I can't be putting HK in 2nd place after reading/hearing such good things about them.

Of course the real problem is that I really like carrying the PCR and would end up stashing a great gun in a safe somewhere.
 
Glad you had fun and Happy Birthday. Interesting write up.

I was curious about the Rhino, but it sounds like a lot of hype for not that great of a gun. I wonder if the lower bore axis added to the poor grip changed the recoil impulse to more of a palm slap feeling than the muzzle rise they were trying to eliminate.

What do you think? Discomfort aside, faster on follow up shots, or no?
 
I'd have to shoot one back-to-back with a conventional revolver of the same caliber and weight to be sure. I imagine that IF the trigger were better then follow-up shots might be a tad quicker. However, Jerry Miculek can shoot a conventional revolver pretty dang fast.... so the design isn't the limiting factor with me. :D
 
Great way to spend your Birthday........sounds like you had a good one. Interesting post for sure. I am with the CZ guys, I discovered them a couple of years ago thanks to my Step-SIL. I have the 75BD, a Compact 75D, and a pre-B 85. The compact gets the most carry/use. Thanks for the info on the Rhino........I have been curious, not so much now and will probably get through life without one.
 
Of course H&K can be in second place. They are fine guns generally, but as a rule they are also overpriced and subject to all of the same flaws and issues that any other pistol is subject to. They just happen to have a particularly rabid fan base is all.
 
The clerk heard I wanted to try the CZ and said "you want to shoot another really cool CZ?" I said of course, and he ran to the back and brought out a tasty new FDE P-09.

Just got one. The P-09 is a great pistol to be sure.
 
I wonder if it could be melted/radiused out.

Sure its plastic. you just have to have the guts to do it

You'd also have to shorten the bottom of the trigger. The trigger fits into a groove in the trigger guard. The reason for this is so that you cannot accidently jam the trigger by getting part of a glove caught between the trigger and trigger guard.

If you fill in the groove, there is no place for the trigger to move - so you'd have to shorten the trigger.
 
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