Repeal Second Amendment, Analyst Advises

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Here's the plan:

Make babies people!!! Wife and I are planing at least 2, possibly 3 kids. Raise them right. SHOW them what freedom means. Take them shooting.
 
It makes no sense to me ... repealing the Second Amendment would not change anything ... the US would still have no gun control powers ... and the States aren't bound by the Second Amendment anyway ... I think the plan would have to be (1) repeal the Second Amendment, (2) repeal the many State amendments which protect the RKBA, and (3) amend the US Constitution to delegate gun control powers to the federal government.
 
There must be a reason why "analyst" is spelled the way it is - some people obviously can't resist pulling their opinions from their... *ahem*
 
It makes no sense to me ... repealing the Second Amendment would not change anything ... the US would still have no gun control powers ... and the States aren't bound by the Second Amendment anyway ... I think the plan would have to be (1) repeal the Second Amendment, (2) repeal the many State amendments which protect the RKBA, and (3) amend the US Constitution to delegate gun control powers to the federal government.

The 14th Amendment is ignored, but it does say and was enacted to mean that States cannot infringe upon the RKBA or any other right that the federal government guarantees.
 
The problem here is that many of the same people for fighting tooth and nail over freedom of speech want to qoute and cite the constitution as the supreme law of the land. Then they proceed to promote restricting the right to bear arms, adding gun control, adding restrictions and federal checks on owners prior to purchases etc.

Well I got news for you, requiring permission or restricting for reasons whether you believe they are valid reasons or not IS infringing. So in essence the constitution has been ignored on the RKBA since 1968 as at that point it has permanently barred certain parts of society from ever excercising that right, which was vastly increased in 1986, and further in 1996 with Lautenburg. Of course you can cite the NFA act as well, but that did not specificly exclude certain people, merely banned certain types of firearms from civilian possession through a tax (notice they did not feel they really had the authority to ban things permitted by the constitution back then so they only taxed them with a high tax instead of outright banning them because it is all they believed the feds had the right to do as outlined in the constitution. Today they feel they have absolute authority and would not bother with the tax pretense and would ban them all together as they showed in the AWB that sunseted) which is also an infringement, but different in scope in that it at least attempts to work within federal authority.

So opponents realize it is hypocrisy to promote one yet conveniently ignore the other, but they want to be allowed to mouth off, but not have people with those awful things that can hurt people (because we all know if you ban weapons everyone will be safer) not understanding that it is those very awful things that protect thier ability to mouth off.

It is unrealistic because at some point we all know force needs to be available as a last resort to protect those very rights and ourselves from those that wish to infringe on our safety. These rights did not come to exist because people complained enough or thought hard enough. They came to pass because people fought and died shedding blood with those that stood against thier creation. Intelligent discussion and logic can create good ideas, but it is force that is required to implement them. Whether it is citizens creating a great nation, or officers and citizens defending the law with force when necessary.

However people far removed from the requirement of this force imagine things exist as they do because they just do and always have, and that new laws will manage to work out the remaining issues that exist. That the end result is zero problems and laws and restrictions should continualy be created to reach that goal. Completely ignoring the fact that people are flawed, and some will always attempt to infringe on others, and that the real decision you have is whether more freedom and liberty, or less freedom and liberty is how you want to spend your years on this earth.

The constitution does not say you have these rights unless this or unless that. It says they are a given and shall not be infringed upon. They have been infringed upon for years, so the constitution is in essence ignored. One of the biggest reasons it is ignored is because gun laws have set the precedent that ignoring it for good reasons is valid. If there is reasons that allow ignoring the second, then there is valid reasons to ignore the first, and every other one on there.

Imagine if you needed a license to excercise another right. To be checked out by the government for that right prior to excercising it. That the right could be permenantly be revoked if you stepped out of line. If being a prohibited person allows the denial of the basic right the founding fathers believed everyone had to have to deter tryanny, then all tyranny has to do to succeed is make those that may disagree prohibited individuals. Or those that show an inclination towards action prohibited individuals. This effectively outlaws disagreement and being willing to act on that disagreement in a way that forces people that do not wish to hear to listen. Government did not want to hear the blacks during the civil rights era, yet the forced them to listen.

In fact this was the basis for the very inactment of the gun control laws. Blacks were fighting for freedom, resisting against authorities during protests etc, commiting felonies by resisting law enforcement (which good or bad is always going to be the enforcers of legislation, so even under tyranny or a dictator, it will be officers tasked with upholding thier tyranny) and yet were still legaly allowed to possess arms. So the law was changed so that once they or anyone else steps out of line, that right no longer exists. This allows disarmament of any segment of society that attempts civil disobedience. Of course that basicly undoes the very reason the RKBA was added to the constitution, to give every citizen the ability to protect themselves, and thier families against all threats foriegn and domestic if needed. To resist tyranny if necessary.

So since the main reason the RKBA was included in the constitution has been effectively removed by legislation allowed to overide the "shall not be infringed" part of the second, we are not and have not been under the authority of the constitution since.

Between 1936 when the only thing people (even the legislators themselves) believed the federal government had the authority to do was tax something they wanted to remove (and they did want to remove the ability of citizens to have those items), and 1968 when they believed they had the authority to overide the constitution altogether and not even bother with the tax pretense, something went wrong. Sometime between those dates the constitution was disregarded as an old obsolete article to be ignored when it does not suite the easiest way to deal with a situation at hand.
 
Why can't the anti-rights crowd understand that there is no honey in that particular nest they keep poking? I wonder if they'll stop poking it even if they get stung...

Woody

"One method of assault may be to effect, in the forms of the Constitution, alterations which will impair the energy of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown...." George Washington, from his farewell address. He knew, didn't he. He knew!
 
I submit that Mr. Wittes raised some interesting points/questions, questions that the anti's would rather not respond to. As I said earlier, I believe that repeal of the Second Amedment is one of the anti's favorite wet dreams, as would be the repeal of other parts of the BOR, respecting other members of the Nanny State Society.
 
...Citing the Fourth Amendment, which protects "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures," Barnett argued, "Sure it was fine that persons should be secure in their papers and effects back in the old days when there wasn't a danger of terrorism and mass murder."...

Wow. This guy sure is SMART! I guess the Founding Fathers did not ever consider the benefits of trading freedom for security.:rolleyes:
 
Good point pdowg881.

If there had been, say, Native Americans actually fighting the Colonists, they might have wised up and realized the importance of letting the British government and troops do whatever the heck they wanted.

In the name of security, of course.

Apparently in this idiot's worldview, there was no terrorism or mass murder before....when? 1776?
 
Actually, this is not as "anti" an article as some people seem to think. I think JaxNovice has it right: The writer is saying that (a) gun control is unconstitutional; (b) the only way to make gun control legal would be to amend the Constitution; and (c) amending the Constitution to remove an existing right would open a very dangerous can of worms. He is essentially telling the antis to forget about it.
 
Actually, this is not as "anti" an article as some people seem to think. I think JaxNovice has it right: The writer is saying that (a) gun control is unconstitutional; (b) the only way to make gun control legal would be to amend the Constitution; and (c) amending the Constitution to remove an existing right would open a very dangerous can of worms. He is essentially telling the antis to forget about it.

I agree. This guy is no friend to the gun control movement. He may not like guns personally but legislatively he is on our side big time. To bad all the other anti's aren't trying to make this arguement. Let's see, we just throw out all gun control laws as unconstitutional and make a proposal to the states to repeal the second amendment. I'll take that bet any day!
 
:rolleyes: Why not just do away with the whole ordeal...Constitution, Bill of Rights, Supreme Court, etc. What a fool.
 
Why not just do away with the whole ordeal...Constitution, Bill of Rights, Supreme Court, etc. What a fool.
But that's not what he's saying. He's actually warning against it. He's saying that if you get rid of the Second Amendment, you're starting down a slippery slope that threatens the whole deal.

I wouldn't call him pro-gun either, but he is telling the antis that they're on the verge of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Actually, I read him to be saying that negating the 2nd amendment by interpretive tricks puts us on a slippery slope, because they can be used against other rights the anti's happen to (for the moment, anyway) like. So he advises formally repealing it, to avoid that slope.

He's advising them on how to go about getting rid of the 2nd amendment safely.
 
Eric Cartman wrote:
"Make babies people!!! Wife and I are planing at least 2, possibly 3 kids. Raise them right. SHOW them what freedom means. Take them shooting."

I did just that today, actually.

The wife, and my two daughters, 9 and 6--don't ask me the age of my wife. She is a child of the 70's and grew up thinking guns were evil. She is a dyed-in-the-wool libertarian Democrat, but as a former journalist, really, really, really enjoys the other rights outlined in the Constitution.

My wife discovered she loves the 22 revolver, and really, really enjoys the sport of shooting, and my SKS wasn't as scary as she thought it was.

My youngest shot my SKS (well, she shot it downrange anyway.) I held the gun *up* and she aimed and pulled the trigger with it socketed into her shoulder.

Comments:

"Dad! My heart feels like it is going to burst out of my chest"

"Well, kids, we fulfilled two of our religious duties today: Personal protection and cleaning up the environment!" -- my wife after we had removed 2 full bags of trash from the area we were shooting.
 
toivo is right. The author is basically saying "if you want X, quit screwing around doing stupid stuff and do Y (the only viable option), which _will_ result in Z; I want X too, but I'm not stupid enough (and you shouldn't be either) to think unavoidable Z would be preferable."

Agreed: if you truly want to ban guns, yer gonna have to repeal the 2nd Amendment - and the result won't be pretty.
 
I hear a lot of self proclaimed liberals telling me all they have to do is go door to door and seize everyone's guns. It's so simple! (and would make a good action movie.)
 
Bring it on!

If libs actual repeal a part of the the Bill of Rights I have no problem with a shooting war.
 
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