Restaurant carry in TN

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The TN Senate passed HB0962 today. This bill will, when enacted, allow citizens with Handgun Carry Permits to carry their weapons in restaurants that serve alcohol. Having been already passed by the House, the bill goes to the governor's desk.

While it is possible that Gov. Bredesen may veto it (he is apparently now judging the political winds, seeing what kind of reaction there is), only a majority of each house is needed to overturn the veto. He may also allow the bill to become law without his signature.

Unless the bill is vetoed and the veto sustained (which is highly unlikely), the law will go into effect on June 1.
 
So how long does the gov have to sign/veto it before it by default passes? A week? 10 days?

I'm pretty excited about this. I called and called, wrote and wrote all during this bill's passage. It's a very gratifying feeling to have that work pay off (well, assuming the gov signs it... knock on wood).
 
If I understand what I just read If he veto's the bill it will go back to the House/Senate for a another vote, and if it passes that time it still will become law. If he signs it it becomes law, if he does not act it will become law in ten days, not counting Sundays. If I'm wrong sombody correct me. The Bill to allow to carry in State Parks is getting close passing as well. Things here in Tennessee are looking up!

I'm pretty excited about this.
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I'm VERY EXCITED!!!!
 
And Virginia....


Just applied for my non-resident permit there and was surprised to see that on the list.

edit: Though maybe they do not count as S/E... IDK but they are in the same general area...
 
Pistol Toter, you are correct. The governor has ten days in which to sign the bill. If he does not sign it in those ten days, it becomes law automatically. If he vetos it, it goes back to both houses, where it needs only a simple majority of each house to become law over his veto.

dbltp, you can carry in restaurants that serve alcohol in VA--you just can't conceal. Carry it openly and you'll have no problems.
 
I hope this bill passes. I can't ever carry in TN because I'm always going to a restaurant whenever I'm out.
 
TN Gov Vetoes Restaurant Carry Bill

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=12530

Statement From Chris W. Cox, Executive Director NRA - Institute for Legislative Action On Governor Bredesen’s Veto Of House Bill 962


Thursday, May 28, 2009


Along with more than 200,000 law-abiding Right-to-Carry permit holders in Tennessee, I am disappointed Governor Phil Bredesen vetoed House Bill 962. This bill would extend self-defense rights of permit holders to restaurants. This is a shock and a major disappointment to gun owners and supporters of the Second Amendment because Governor Bredesen had committed to supporting this legislation.


36 other states, including seven states that border Tennessee, provide this protection to law-abiding citizens. During the 2006 campaign, Governor Bredesen assured Tennesseans -- and the NRA in writing -- that he would support this effort. NRA’s endorsement of Governor Bredesen that year centered largely on this promise. Today, that trust has been betrayed.

In his veto message, Governor Bredesen talked about his concerns with mixing firearms and alcohol. But he conveniently failed to mention the absolute prohibition, with grim consequences, for any permit holder who has one sip of alcohol while carrying a firearm. He also ignored the provision which allows restaurants to prohibit carrying firearms in their establishments by simply posting a sign. The provisions of HB 962 are more restrictive than the laws of many of the 36 states that allow restaurant carry. And, it is important to note that despite Governor Bredesen’s dire predictions, these states have not experienced problems because law-abiding gun owners are just that, law-abiding.

The reality is that crime does happen in our restaurants. We are reminded by the headlines of senseless attacks on honest people that occur in restaurants, cafés and even fast food outlets all across our country, including in Tennessee. On April 2, 2009, Benjamin Felix Goeser was gunned down at Jonny's Sports Bar on Nolensville Road in Nashville. His wife, Nicole Goeser has a Right-to-Carry permit. But, she had to keep her gun locked in the car because of Tennessee law. No one knows what the outcome might have been that evening if Nicole had had her firearm with her. All Nicole wanted was a chance -- a chance to save her husband’s life.

House Bill 962 will not bring back Benjamin Goeser or ease Nicole’s sorrow. But, it would give other good, law-abiding Tennesseans that chance to defend themselves and their loved ones. The Tennessee Legislature understood that. That is why this common sense measure passed both chambers with overwhelming, bi-partisan support. We pledge to work to override this ill-conceived veto. That is NRA’s promise. And we intend to keep it.

Chris Cox grew up in Jackson and graduated from Rhodes College in Memphis.
 
Yep, the veto is almost sure to be over-ridden. It only takes a simple majority to do that in Tennessee, and the bill passed with big margins in both houses.

I think the Governor vetoed the bill because he expects to be before the U.S Senate for confirmation to some cabinet position. He needs to boost his Democrat street cred.
 
the rat faced bredeson vetoed the bill in front of a phalanx of uniformed high ranking police officials,much like clinton arranged leosmainly chiefs, behind him when he signed the awb.this is not leo bashing,well maybe very selectivly,as most by a wide margin of the rank and file are pro gun,and are professional peace officers. if the top is like most other bureaus,it is filled with professional politicians.

hard to imagine clinton Wanting the police around him.

anyway,let me bring my tradional message of cancelling any subscription to any gannett publication. the local gannett marionette,the tennessean,spent much time,space,and ink editorializing against this bill,in fact any bill that benefits the citizens of this country.

i have also sent emails to their advertisers explaining as long as they support gannetts position more than my business,see you much later.

kroger seems the most vulnerable. no doubt they would miss a thousand or two in davidson county.
 
HEY! It's OK if a individual goes into a place that pours alcohol, come out and climbs into a 3500+ lb. potential projectile that is capable of moving at 100 mph. It's OK that every time I pass by the Pilot fuel stop on Broadway there is at least one police car sitting in the parking area, with no one in the car. Many times there are two or three cars and lately a bus that says Sheriff down the side. They officers are doing their duty,” Protecting and Serving"!! :cuss: Crime in Knoxville is skyrocketing!!!:banghead::banghead:

Hence, If this Bill is not overridden; I will start a movement to ask my State Rep to introduce legislation to, much like the prohibition on tobacco; to initiate legislation to prohibit the sales or consumption of all alcohol in a public place. Amend the DUI laws to reduce the acceptable level of intoxication to .001 for class D driving linc. and .00000 for all Commercial or Professional License. The first infraction will be a lost of all driving privileges and a $2500. The second infraction will be a mandatory jail sentence of no less than 5 years in the state pen and a fine of $10,000. The third infraction will draw a 20 yr prison term. In addition until such a law is passed any and all establishments selling spirits, beer or wine will/must have on duty two "ON DUTY" armed police officers of which one will be stationed at the entrance to monitor the condition of those coming and leaving the establishment. An infraction of this provision will draw a 10 prison term for the owner of said establishment and loss of office for the local law enforcement director. Any state Official or law enforcement officer caught under the influence will immediate lose his office, all rights, pay and retirement.

I DO NOT DRINK. I DO NOT WISH TO HURT OR SHOOT ANYONE. I WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE IN PEACE TO PURSUE MY PEACEFUL RIGHTS AND WISH TO BE UNDISTURBED.

Do I have any supporters??
 
"the rat faced bredeson vetoed the bill in front of a phalanx of uniformed high ranking police officials,much like clinton arranged leosmainly chiefs, behind him when he signed the awb.this is not leo bashing,well maybe very selectivly,as most by a wide margin of the rank and file are pro gun,and are professional peace officers. if the top is like most other bureaus,it is filled with professional politicians."

He has a (D) in front of his name, which anyone who owns a gun should know by now means at any given point in time you can expect to catch a knife in the back on any gun issue. They can't help themselves, it's imprinted in their genes, because someone who owns a gun can't be controlled as easy as compliant sheep. Sadly we are getting to the point where the (R) in front of the name is just about as bad...
 
Mr. Pistol Toter,

I could not support the legislation you are proposing. While I do agree with you that alcohol and cars do not mix at all, the BAC figures you quote can not be sustained. An adult individual that has used mouth wash within a past hour may generate a false positive greater than your threshold, while in no way suffering any impairment whatsoever, and that is only one example. Now you are attempting to introduce more legislation that puts a citizens livelyhood at risk. I suggest we do not reduce ourselves to emotional legislation.
 
I suggest we do not reduce ourselves to emotional legislation.
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Not emotional sir! Those who inhabit these gun forums cry and moan the blues, blah blah blah; say I'm not gonna vote, blah blah blah. It's high time we start to demand, demand, demand!!! Fource those who we elect to do our bidding to do what we ask. Hit them in their pocket books, their prestiage, their power. If a CDL driver is caught blowing .001, he's drunk.

puts a citizens livelyhood at risk
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Well BooHoo! That's when get their attention. The cop gets paid his salary, given a car, his gun, his uniforms .... and then wants to sit on his a$$ under a bridge and sleep, chase the speeder every-once-in-a-while or sit parked at the closest C-store and drink coffee and eat sweet sixteen's half his shift. If you think I'm worried about his job. You're WRONG!
Go ahead sit on your hands and do nothing.:fire::banghead::banghead:
 
There is an effort underway to override the veto, but I don't feel that an override is likely to happen.

Bredesen is better spelled B-E-T-R-A-Y-A-L and he is not a man of his word.
 
Mr Pistol Toter,

I am sure that you don't drink and I applaud you for it. That is a personal decision and more power to you. Those of us that do may have our own reasons and I am not denying that alcohol and arms are a dangerous combination. What I am saying is that your figures are not proper and are erroneous. If you sir, eat a saltine cracker, wait 5 minutes and then blow into a oral administered breathylizer you will blow a greater number than .0001 which is the guideline you set up for a CDL to be drunk on duty. Its not rocket science sir it is simple chemistry. The saliva in your mouth contains enzymes that will break the starches down in the cracker and a byproduct produced will be alcohol at a detectible level. Any person on the street randomly picked will 95% of the time blow a detectible amount. Are you impaired because you ate food in the last few hours? Are there differences between impairment? The NTSB and the FAA have realized and documented this FACT and so the allowable limit for the detection of ANY effect of alcohol is .0049, and that figure is used to detect for the RESIDUAL effects of alcohol.
I am not interested in a shouting match over a forum topic. I would not support your legislation on a scientific level and I remain unchanged. I will however invite you to participate in the online writing of the representatives and senators of the state of Tennessee. Their e-mails are available at Tn.gov. I personally have written both my personal representatives and every other representative that may influence this coming decision.
 
Post Script to my above:
Let me add this: I see and realize the dangers in allowing arms to carried into establishments that serve alcohol and will add that I'm not 100% convinced that it should be allowed. The point I believe that there are those of us like myself who do not drink; don't even have a moving violation in the last 15+ years, or in other words pretty law abiding, peace seeking,et al. For those of us, I think that I should be able to go into, Applebee, OCharleys, Ruby Tuesday, El Charro's,... the list goes on and have a meal get up, pay the bill and leave. Yet there are those that make the RULES, that do as they wish, get sloshed at public functions, have armed protection and go about their merry way. Mr. Bredeson is having a multi million dollar addition built to the Govnmt building in Nashville to have such parties/drunken brawls.
I spent many years operating 70ft, 80,000lb vehilcles up and down the highways & byways of this nation and observed those who had no business operating a childs tricycle much less an automobile and law enforcement do precious little about it. I don't "enjoy" carrying a gun. I do so because I feel threatened no only in public but in and around my home. I live in a better part of Knox County and was awakened just three nights ago at 3:00 am to the sound of voices near my home. I spent the rest of the night setting in a recliner with Glock 21 laying on my chest. To have called the law would have been useless; 9 times out of ten they bother to show up but as I eluded before I take you to a number of places and show you their presence. They are definitely not protecting and serving, will serving themselves coffee. My police chef was standing just to the govenor right the other day when he veto that bill. I guess, I get pretty worked up over the incongruities. I have no argument with you sir. I feel that things are pretty much up side down and there is no evidence of or for any corrrection. Have a great day.
 
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