Revised Ohio CCW Bill may be signed.

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Just heard on the news on the way into work this morning that a special commitee has finished a revision of HB12 that allows reporters to request info on who has applied for Ohio CCW. This is not perfect, but it is reported that Taft (our wonderfully confused sometimes republican Gov.) has said he'll sign it.

Ohio may get a late Christmas present.

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Heard the same report today, too, but I'll believe Guv. Booby {Repub In Name Only} Daft signs it when I see it signed.

There was a news story yesterday (I think it was from Toledo, but I only heard it once) that a thug or two held gun(s) to the head(s) of small children during Sunday Services, and demanded money/jewelry from the parishoners. And yet Guv Booby STILL won't sign the CCW reform bill.
 
I read this morning in the paper that both the house and senate are going to sign it today and send it on to the Governor. According to the paper he is happy with it and will sign it. The compromise is that now journalists can get the entire list of permit holders for each of the 88 counties in the state.
There is also a "coalition against gun violence" group that is screaming that proper procedures were not followed in the legislature. They are now claiming that the entire issue should have been put on a ballot for Ohio voters to decide, not the legislature.
 
Better than nothing I guess....not really happy with the whole list access issue, but it seems that our best bet is to take small steps and do damage control later. I wonder if "journalists" will have the right (under the 1st A) to publish the lists of permit holders that they are now eligible to obtain? I would certainly hope not, because if they can and do, then they might as well have listed CCW holder's info on the sheriff department's websites just like they do sexual predators. Of course, that is probably exactly what will happen, the papers will publish the lists since they "have the right"...of course, they could care less about our rights....makes me nuts!:banghead: :banghead:
 
From the Columbus Dispatch:

"Qualified Ohioans should be able to carry concealed handguns by summer. In a historic breakthrough, state legislators and Gov. Bob Taft reached a tentative agreement yesterday on the long-stalled proposal. The measure would allow disclosure of the names of permits to carry concealed handguns."
 
There is also a "coalition against gun violence" group that is screaming that proper procedures were not followed in the legislature. They are now claiming that the entire issue should have been put on a ballot for Ohio voters to decide, not the legislature.
We must tell these people (Toby Hoover et al) that the existence of rights can’t be voted on.

We are not a pure democracy. And thank God for that. If we were a pure democracy, we would have no need for a Constitution; we would just vote on everything. Freedom of speech? Let’s vote on it! Freedom to assemble? Let’s vote on it! Freedom to practice religion? Let’s vote on it! Under such a system, rights would come and go depending on the daily whims of the masses.
 
The disclosure issue can be ammended.

Lobbying for that will be much, much easier in a year or two than fighting for CCW was.

It could even be tied to some sort of "personal records privacy act" or an anti-identity theft measure and slipped in quietly.

Is that bunk about not being able to carry in the car, or with children, (when you need your CCW the most, DUH!) thing that the state patrol wanted completely out of the picture?

Hopefully our legislators here in WI will take notice before the override vote next week.
 
Here's the entire article from the Columbus Dispatch via OFCC...

January 07, 2004

Qualified Ohioans should be able to carry concealed handguns by summer.

In a historic breakthrough, state legislators and Gov. Bob Taft reached a tentative agreement yesterday on the long-stalled proposal. The measure would allow disclosure of the names of people with permits to carry concealed handguns, solving the last issue blocking enactment of House Bill 12.

Opponents immediately raised the possibility of a statewide November referendum on the bill.

The House, which had wanted to keep the names of permit-holders private, yielded to Taft and the Senate and rescinded its Dec. 10 approval of the bill. The Senate is expected to do likewise today, after which the proposal would be sent back to a House-Senate conference committee and reconsidered by both chambers later in the day.

Taft said he would sign the revised bill if it contained the provision requiring county sheriffs to give the list of permit-holders to journalists who request it in writing. The bill requires sheriffs to maintain such lists.

"At this point, I’m hopeful it would pass," said Taft, who had warned he would veto the bill passed Dec. 10 by the House and Senate because it would have allowed journalists to obtain permit-holders’ names only on a case-bycase basis if they could show it would be in the public interest.

"It would be good to get this bill finally enacted."

Click on the "Read More..." link below for more.



The bill would take effect 90 days after being signed by the governor, but it could take extra time for the Ohio Peace Officer Training Commission and county sheriffs to prepare to issue permits.

Robert A. Cornwell, executive director of the Buckeye State Sheriffs’ Association, said the sheriffs would be "ready to go" when the commission furnishes them with application forms, training requirements and literature for applicants.

"I’d like to see it happen in 90 days," he said. "Will it? I don’t know."

Rep. Jim Aslanides of Coshocton, a Republican and chief sponsor of the bill, predicted it would be six months before the first permits would be issued.

Taft was asked whether the bill addressed all of his safety concerns.

"Yes," he replied. "I think there’ll be accountability, and there’ll be the ability to assess and to make sure it’s working so law-abiding citizens and not criminals are carrying weapons. It depends on how we enforce that."

The governor said he was satisfied that two earlier issues had been dealt with: the handling of handguns in motor vehicles for the safety of approaching law-enforcement officers; and extending legal defenses in certain cases to those who don’t have a permit but have a valid reason to carry a handgun.

The bill would require sheriffs to issue a conceal/carry permit to any Ohioan 21 or older who passes a criminal background check, has no history of mental illness and completes a certified 12-hour training course on weapons handling and safety. The permit would be good for four years. Ohio would honor permits issued in other states.

The handguns would be barred from school safety zones, day-care centers, government-owned buildings and bars. (ie. Victim Disarmamant Zones)

John Hohenwarter, a regional director of the National Rifle Association, praised the bill but lamented that its apparent approval took 10 years.

"Sure, there’s a few hoops to jump through, but the bottom line is this gives Ohioans the right to protect themselves," he said.

But Lori O’Neill, president of the Greater Cleveland chapter of the Million Mom March, called it a sad day for Ohio.

"I feel that Gov. Taft has essentially ignored the wishes of the people of Ohio for political purposes, to keep peace in the Republican Party," she said. "He has marred his political legacy."

She also criticized the Republican-dominated legislature, which she said is passing the bill "just to please the NRA and get them off their backs."

O’Neill said her group is discussing the possibility of collecting 193,740 signatures during the next three months and placing a referendum on the November ballot to repeal the conceal/carry law.

"Let the citizens of Ohio vote on whether they want loaded, hidden guns out in public," she said.

Rep. Edward S. Jerse, a Democrat from Cleveland who was on the short end of an 85-5 vote in the House to rescind the earlier version and ratify a compromise, said he had hoped Taft would veto the bill. Jerse opposes conceal/carry, saying it will only add to the number of guns on the street.

House Speaker Larry Householder, who supports gun rights, took the opposite view.

"We think it’s going to have a tremendous impact on Ohio as far as criminal activity is concerned," he said. "We think it’s going to do what it has in Michigan, and that’s reduce crime. Ohioans deserve to have that in their state, also.

"This is something we’ve been goofing around with in Ohio for over a decade. It’s time to get it (enacted) so we can prove it’s not what some of the (gun opponents) believe it is."

A small victory, with WAY more compromises than I would prefer, but a victory none-the-less...small steps to get back to where we should have been all along.

Mark
 
The governor said he was satisfied that two earlier issues had been dealt with: the handling of handguns in motor vehicles for the safety of approaching law-enforcement officers;

So how was this "Handled" was the "no car carry" demand let in, or is it out?

Was it replaced with an LEO verbal notification requirement or something else?
 
A provision allowing people/reporters to obtain CCW-holders' identities doesn't bother me much. There is a lot of information out there obtainable in one way or another through, for example, FOIA requests - information that we'd probably not consider or want "public." But, nobody - including reporters - bother with it because it's not "newsworthy."

I doubt major papers in Ohio will bother listing CCW-holders, even if practicable to do so. Why bother? Not sexy enough to sell papers and nobody will pay for the space, i.e. no money to be made from it. And, as soon as the list is printed, it would be outdated because it will be changing everyday. It would be like listing who owns each piece of property in the county on a given day.

That's not to say someone couldn't put the list to some nefarious purpose, but unless a CCW-holder is involved in a newsworthy incident, I doubt papers wil bother and most people won't care, especially months and years down the road after the CCW becomes law.

If its the price of Taft's signature, so be it.
 
AJ,
Car carry is allowed, with or without children present. The gun must be in view (pull up your shirt or jacket when you get in the car) and holstered, in view action open/unloaded, or locked in the trunk (right), and I believe you must notify LEOs that you are a CCW holder and carrying if you are stopped. More/better information should be available at ohioccw.org but this is my understanding of the information that I have read.

Mark
 
Ohio would honor permits issued in other states
That would be great for me since I have an Arizona and Fla Permit. I still might just go and get the Ohio CCW permit when I visit home in the summer anyway. Just to have one. Or maybe not so I can stay off the stupid list for the journalists. We'll see.
 
:D I can't beleive we might actually get ccw here in the anal orifice of the universe!!!!! As Skunky would say, REEEEEHAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!
 
So how difficult/expensive is a Florida non-resident permit
Pretty easy actually. Just send in the application, a fingerprint card done by a law enforcement agency and a copy of some type of weapons safety course or if your military or retired a copy of your 522 M-16 qual card along with a check for I think $130. Then you wait.

If you dont have a weapons safety course call your local range and see if they have an NRA certified course. You will need to send proof along with the application.

The package can be requested online and will be recieved with details, print card, application and return envelope.
 
Do not expect Ohio to give reciprocity to any out of state permit that requires less than 12 hours of training. Is there any other state that requires that much?
 
:::::::She (Lorie O'Neil of the MMM) also criticized the Republican-dominated legislature, which she said is passing the bill "just to please the NRA and get them off their backs."::::::

It wasnt the NRA lady, it was the grassroots activists all throughout OH that wouldnt give up

I love how saying "NRA" is like an insult to grabbers....its funny :D
 
Bow,
Who do you think was lobbying all this time? And did you know the NRA has clinics set up to start Grass Roots organizations?
It was the NRA and Ohioans for Concealed Carry, Inc. that brought a CCW law to Ohio.
 
Standing Wolf: Taft is in his second term so he's out as soon as it's over (two- term limit in Ohio). Given his dismal record as governor his political career is over IMHO. I doubt he could be elected dogcatcher,but of course I could be wrong.
 
I'm not going to complain about the passage of the bill. But can someone explain why journalists have this magic almighty right to view the list of applicants? :fire:
 
Do not expect Ohio to give reciprocity to any out of state permit that requires less than 12 hours of training. Is there any other state that requires that much?


AZ requires a minimum of 16 hours...


But can someone explain why journalists have this magic almighty right to view the list of applicants?


Been wondering just that myself... I can find no logic in that requirement at all...
 
How much are training courses going to be? I heard one was $300 and they supplied the ammo, but I can't really afford that much money. I have enough trouble paying for basics.

I used to carry when I had the money for an attorney, but I can't be the wage earner I used to be. Guess Ohio CCW will have to wait for me...
 
I signed up today for CCW classes at the New Albany Shooting Range and the cost was 150.00 $. Four 3 hour classes, I start on Feb 9.

The local news said the Governor will sign the bill next week. The bill goes into affect 90 day's after signing. Keep your fingers crossed.
 
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