Revised Ohio CCW Bill may be signed.

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I just hope Ohio has reciprocity with PA, my permit application is going in next week.

Coincidently, I should have my instructors certification by the time this becomes law.
 
Do not expect Ohio to give reciprocity to any out of state permit that requires less than 12 hours of training. Is there any other state that requires that much?
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Here in Michigan we had 12 also.

Explain the open carry in a vehicle ? This makes no sense what-so-ever. "Hold on a sec, Mr. carjacker. Be right with ya!"

If I, as a Michigan CCW holder, cannot carry a loaded firearm through Ohio, then there is NO, and never will be a reciprocal agreement. I mean, if I have to lock it in a trunk:confused: , I can do that now legally without an agreement.

Sounds like alot of questions need to be answered, but it's a start. Get it on the books and then come back next year for a revision to eliminate some of the bad provisions.
 
This bill is far from perfect, but it is also a large step in the right direction. There seems to be a bit of confusion on the reciprocity issue. I'll try to check out the amended act as passed and figure it out tonight.

See you on-line, Phoenix...

-Dave
 
I was at the committee hearing today and a spokesperson for Taft's office said he would gladly sign the bill. For the first time I think it actually might happen. Be careful though, the "plain sight" provision for carry in motor vehicles has not been defined so there is no guarantee you will be able to just untuck your shirt.

Gerard
 
Hope this happens for you Buckeyes. I'm from Ohio myself and travel there at least 4 times a year. Very anxious to find out more about reciprocity and the 12 hour training issue since Michigan only requires 8. If that is an issue wondering if Ohio will offer non-resident permits.
 
Just dangle the old .38 from the rearview mirror and wait for everyone on the highways to call 911 to report someone with a gun. The Highway Patrol will be begging for the law to be changed.
 
Ringer: Michigan only requires 8.
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You're right as to the 8 hours. I thought it was 12 because I went 3 hours a day for 4 days. Oh well, at least the extra range time was fun:D
 
Contgrats Ohio.

My mom is from Toledo and I still have family there so I get there once in a blue moon. It isn't the safest city in the world from what they tell me. I wonder if Ohio will have non-resident permits, if so I might just have to get one for when I make it up there (unless they decide to take FL non-resident permits).

Hmm, no built-in lock law, no shell casing law, now (likely) CCW... Ohio just went from barely OK on guns (and still an improvement over MD) to a huge improvement over MD. How is it on other gun laws? I've always liked Cleveland (until recently I had family there, and an uncle and grandmother are buried there), and it does have a decent Orthodox Jewish community there. I may have just added a city to my list of cities I might move to.
 
Being an Ohio resident I think the CCW Bill is a great START and a victory for Ohio and the COUNTRY as a whole. A one point victory is still a victory and should be treated as such. We can always add/attach amendments later to fine tune it. Lets not minimize this historic victory, its an election year and doesn't this also send a message to Washington?
 
One of the articles I read said that the purpose of allowing reports to get the names is so that they can ensure that criminals aren't getting permits. Since when is it a journalist's job to do that? Isn't that what we pay taxes for?

I really hate the car provision of the bill. Does anyone know if the gun has to be unloaded while in the car too or just in plain sight/locked up?
 
its a good thing. even with daft signing that i highly doubt i'll vote for him to ride again.
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he is term limited so he is out of here!!!!:neener:

I was reading the restrictions and am a little confused.
Restrictions
Ohioans with licenses to carry concealed firearms would not be able to carry them into the following places:
Any government buildings.
Schools, school safety zones and universities
Buildings with liquor permits.
Places of worship
Day-care centers and homes
Any business, workplace or private property that posts a ban on concealed weapons.
Anyplace where handguns are prohibited under federal law.
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One i am mad about not being able to carry to church!
Two is the 5th one down saying i can't carry concealed in my house or someone elses???
And building with liquor liscences that almost all reseraunts!! don't most state have a 51% rule or something? Just becasue i go to a resteraunt that sells alcohol doesn't mean i am going to be drinking. That means i can't carry in the grocery store.

does anyone know where i can find a copy of the full legislation, all i am getting is hear say.
 
Guv Booby Daft is term-limited out (2 times as Guv, max), but my next vote for him will be for 5th alternate 3rd shift sewer worker....in Baghdad.
 
Another thought... I plan on carrying at about 4 o'clock and even if I pull up my shirt this would not be in plain sight to an officer so I'll need to carry a second holster either in front or on my weak side and will have to transfer the gun there every time I get in my car. Also, what happens when a pickup or some other tall vehicle drives past me, they'll be able to see the gun, or if I go through a drive through I'll have to remember to pull my shirt back over it so I don't scare the 15 yr old working the register.
 
still some things i don't like. Can't have a loaded weapon in the car. Though you can carry in church if the individual church posts a sign allowing it. if the sign is not there then you can't carry. well i guess it is time to start a letter to the pastors.

Another thought... I plan on carrying at about 4 o'clock and even if I pull up my shirt this would not be in plain sight to an officer so I'll need to carry a second holster either in front or on my weak side and will have to transfer the gun there every time I get in my car. Also, what happens when a pickup or some other tall vehicle drives past me, they'll be able to see the gun, or if I go through a drive through I'll have to remember to pull my shirt back over it so I don't scare the 15 yr old working the register.
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can't be loaded. unfortunatly. and the magazine needs to be in a different part of the car. The person has to get out of the car to access the things to make the gun fire. or you are carrying illegally!
 
Sec. 2923.16.

(E) No person who has been issued a license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code shall do any of the following:

(1) Knowingly transport or have a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle unless the loaded handgun either is in a holster and in plain sight on the person's person or it is securely encased by being stored in a closed, locked glove compartment or in a case that is in plain sight and that is locked;
 
i believe that is the older version. here is the revised one.

Sec._2923.16._ (A) No person shall knowingly discharge a firearm while in or on a motor vehicle.
(B) No person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving the vehicle.
(C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless it is unloaded and is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case;
(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;
(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;
(4) In plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight
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http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=125_HB_12
 
RE: the disclosure of CCW holders to reporters, according to a gun blog site (kimdutoit.com) in Texas the list is actually public record, which is even worse, and no one cares.

Course it seems you are going to have a problem in Ohio with the "blood in the streeters" so maybe its different.

If sent to a referendum, do any of you Ohioans think it will pass or not?
 
This is pretty cool overall. I am from OH, live in VA, and have a CCW. Now I can carry in OH (when the law takes effect, I mean!) I read several reports and it said that anyone with a permit from another state can carry in OH. Nothing about the amount of training. Wow, that's even better than VA! Only certain state's permits are good here.

Too bad OH has that idiotic provision about not carrying where alcohol is served. What stupidity. VA is the same there.
 
From this site, a summary of the proposed bill:
Proposed CCW House Bill 12 Summary:

The Sheriff's Dept will coordinate all Background checks and issuances of CCW permits for private citizens in their respective counties.

The Ohio peace officer training commission shall prepare a pamphlet that contains the text of the firearms laws for the state of Ohio.

Firearms will not be permitted in liquor establishments/liquor is being dispensed, school safety zones, courtroom, structure where courtroom is located, police station, sheriff's office, state highway patrol station, bureau of criminal identification and investigation, state correctional institute, jail, workhouse, other detention facility, airport passenger terminal, premises of any public or private college/university/institute of higher education, church/synagogue/mosque or other place of worship unless the handgun is in a locked motor vehicle or the licensee is in the immediate process of placing the handgun in a locked motor vehicle.

Any retired peace officer, person, federal law enforcement officer, corrections officer, active/reserve member of the armed forces who has retired within three years had successfully completed a basic firearms training program is potentially eligible for a CCW permit.

A CCW permit shall be issued by a Sheriff's Dept. within 45 days after all proper paperwork and training is completed. The cost is to be no more than $45.00 per application.

License is valid for 4 years with a 30-day grace period for renewal at the end of the 4-year license period. There is no renewal-training requirement to obtain an additional four-year CCW license.

There is a $15.00 replacement fee for any lost CCW license permit.

The training requirement must consist of a minimum of 12 hours of both classroom and range instruction to include the following:
Ability to name, explain and demonstrate the rules for safe handling of a handgun.

The ability to demonstrate and explain how to handle ammunition in a safe manner.

The ability to demonstrate the knowledge, skills and aptitude necessary to shoot a handgun in a safe manner.

RangeTime, live fire training and gun handling training.

Pass a competency examination that shall include a written section on the ability to name and explain the rules for the safe handling of a handgun and proper storage practices for handguns and ammunition.

Pass a physical demonstration of competence in the use of a handgun and in the rules for safe handling and storage of a handgun and a physical demonstration of the aptitude necessary to shoot a handgun in a safe manner.
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The licensee shall promptly inform any officer that approaches a vehicle that the licensee occupies, that the licensee has been issued a license to carry a concealed handgun and that the licensee currently is carrying a concealed handgun.

The CCW law does not prohibit a private investigator or a security guard provider from carrying a concealed handgun if the private investigator or security guard provider complies with the CCW law guidelines.

A permit holder would be able to carry a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle if the handgun is in a holster on the permit holder’s person and in plain sight or the handgun is securely encased in a locked compartment or case.

Different standards for carrying a loaded handgun if a child under age 18 is in the motor vehicle are eliminated.

This language suggests that you CAN carry a firearm in your car, and you CAN keep it on your person, it CAN be loaded, but that you must have it in a holster and it must be visible.

If a permit holder is transporting or has a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle, the permit holder may not knowingly remove or attempt to remove the loaded handgun from the holster, glove compartment, or case or knowingly grasp or hold the loaded handgun or knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun while operating the motor vehicle on a street or highway (unless given instructions to do so by a law enforcement officer). Contacted is defined as touching with your hands or fingers. The penalty for violating these prohibitions would be a F-5. "

If you "knowingly" touch your firearm during a traffic stop with hands or fingers, you can be charged with a felony, and if you're convicted, you can't own a firearm, vote, or do anything a convicted felon can't do.

If a permit holder is the driver or occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped as a result of a traffic stop or another law enforcement purpose and if the person is transporting a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle, the permit holder must follow the directions of a law enforcement officer.

In addition, the permit holder must remain in the motor vehicle and must keep their hands in plain sight at any time after the law enforcement officer begins approaching the vehicle, while the vehicle is stopped and before the law enforcement officer leaves. The penalty for violating these provisions would be a M-1 for the first offense and a F-5 for any subsequent offenses.

Instead of giving out the names of EVERY license holder in a county the lawmakers respected the privacy rights of the applicants and created a system that is nearly identical to that which a newspaper must use to get information on police officers or fire fighters.

Similar to the exemption in OHIO REV. CODE ANN. § 149. 43(B)(5) for journalists to obtain peace officer and firefighter personal information, upon written request made and signed by a journalist, the sheriff must disclose to the journalist permit holders’ names, counties, townships or cities of residence and date of issuance of the license. The request must include the journalist’s name and title, the name and address of the journalist’s employer and shall state that the disclosure of the information sought would be in the public interest. Journalist is defined as in § 149.43.

A temporary "emergency permit" (this should read license) would be available from every Sheriff, without the mandatory training, for a period of 90 days. The applicant can only do this once in a four year period, meaning if you really need the license you have 90 days to get the training and apply for your license.

A person seeking a temporary permit must submit an affidavit in which the person swears they have reasonable cause to fear a criminal attack or the person may submit a written document prepared by a government entity or public official describing the facts that give rise to this concern (these documents may include, but are not limited to protection orders). In addition, the person must swear that the person would have qualified for a concealed handgun permit but for not receiving training requirements established in H.B. 12.

Note: Penalty for falsifying this affidavit is a felony four, just like lying on the application for a concealed carry license.

The Sheriff puts the applicant into LEADS immediately and runs a background check on the applicant.

The Sheriff's application fee for any initial and/or renewal CCW permit is waived for any retired peace officer, person described in division (B) (1) (b) of section 109.77 of the Revised Code or retired federal law enforcement officer, who prior to retirement, was authorized under law to carry a firearm in the course of duty.

In lieu of the required CCW training if the applicant is an active or reserve member of the armed forces of the United States, was honorably discharged from the military service in the active or reserved armed forces of the United states, is a retired peace officer or federal law enforcement officer, retired trooper of the state highway patrol, and you can provide a certificate or another similar document that evidences satisfactory completion of a firearms training, safety, or requalification or firearms safety instructor course, class or program that is equivelant to the CCW training requirements set forth the training requirement may be waived.

Applicant must be 21 years of age, resident of the state of Ohio for at least 45 days and a resident of the county in which the person seeks the license or a county adjacent to the county in which the person seeks the license for at least 30 days. Additionally, certain felony convictions, misdeameanor convictions of violence within the last three years and/or if you are under indictment for certain crimes will prevent your acceptance for the CCW permit.

Any applicant under a civil protection order, a temporary protection order, or a protection order by a court in another state will prevent the acceptance of your CCW permit.

A person who holds a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued pursuant to the law of another state has the same right to carry a concealed handgun in this state and is subject to the same restrictions that apply to a person who carries a license issued under the State of Ohio.
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