RFID not tin foil

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=335053

The above thread was locked for 'conspiracy mongering' according to Mod. He may be right. After all any large organizations determined to ban handguns or small arms, using RFID monitoring or endless red tape to reach ends, may be a conspiracy after all.

List of bills listed in Legal, all within New Jersey.

ps - I'm not claiming it is imminent, easy to do, or otherwise feasible. Possible only, wanted, yes. Attempted, see below. If you want to discuss this don't drag the conversation off topic. (ie; no aliens, robots, or other wacko stuff like believing elitists have a plan)

For more info on a particular bill (full text, Sponsors, previous voting history, etc...), go to http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bills/BillsBySubject.asp and select "Public Safety - Weapons" from the dropdown. There will be links to the individual bills. Bills that have not been sent to committee are not included below.

Senate Committee members can be found here:
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/committees/senate.asp

Assembly Committee members can be found here:
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/committees/assembly.asp


Assembly Law & Public Safety Committee / Group (B) Committees to meet on Thu, March 3rd

* A128 Establishes the "Firearm Automated Licensing System"; provides for an additional assessment fee for retail dealer licenses, handgun purchaser permits and firearm purchaser identification cards.
* A330 Reduces years of law enforcement experience required for certain law enforcement officers to establish right to carry a firearm.
* A335 Makes unlawful possession of assault firearm a second degree crime.
* A336 Upgrades penalty for unlawfully transferring a firearm to an underage person.
* A339 Prohibits individuals from purchasing more than one handgun in a calendar month.
* A497 Clarifies criteria for determining an assault firearm.
* A632 Increases firearm permit and license fees.
* A667 Clarifies that BB guns are not firearms under New Jersey law.
* A681 Prohibits the sale, importation, possession and carrying of handguns except by certain authorized persons.
* A693 Prohibits possession of ammunition capable of penetrating body armor.
* A813 Directs Attorney General to establish a criminal firearms recovery clearing house.
* A886 Permits qualified retired law enforcement officers who were employed by law enforcement agencies outside the State to carry firearms.
* A909 Grants right to carry handgun to certain retired campus police officers.
* A1249 Establishes confidential data base to assist State Police in issuance of firearms purchaser identification cards and handgun purchase permits.
* A1282 Revises procedures for securing a permit to carry a handgun.
* A1375 Supplemental appropriation of $4,000,000 to fund CeaseFire pilot program in Camden, Jersey City, Newark, and Trenton.
* A1834 Establishes the reckless discharge of a firearm as a crime of the fourth degree.
* A1843 Criminalizes purchase or possession of firearms ammunition by persons convicted of certain crimes.
* A2022 Requires radio frequency identifying devices in handguns sold by licensed retail dealers.
* A2041 Clarifies possession of machine guns and assault firearms by certain law enforcement officers.


Senate Law & Public Safety Committee / Group (2) Committees to meet on Thu, March 6th

* S59 Permits certain special law enforcement officers to carry firearms at all times when in State.
* S138 Prohibits sale of imitation firearms to persons under age of 18.
* S151 Revises qualifications to carry firearms for certain retired police officers.
* S192 Extends application period for retired police officers to carry firearms.
* S193 Revises procedures for securing a permit to carry a handgun.
* S194 Authorizes certain out-of-state police officers to carry handguns in this State.
* S195 Establishes statutory standards to guide authorities in evaluating applications for permits to carry handguns.
* S242 Revises definition of destructive device to include weapons of 50 caliber or greater.
* S482 Makes unlawful possession of assault firearm a second degree crime.
* S483 Upgrades penalty for unlawfully transferring a firearm to an underage person.
* S489 Supplemental appropriation of $4,000,000 to fund CeaseFire pilot program in Newark, Trenton and Camden.
* S490 Requires presumption that any bail paid by defendant charged with certain weapons offenses will be in the form of full cash.
* S494 Establishes "gun-free" and "weapon free" zones around certain school and public properties.
* S498 Requires newly manufactured handguns be micro-stamped.
* S537 Establishes a Gun Court Pilot Program in Passaic County.
* S543 Provides for forfeiture of vehicle where weapon was unlawfully possessed.
* S664 Prohibits possession of ammunition capable of penetrating body armor.
* S715 Clarifies that "airsoft" guns are firearms.
* S716 Establishes crime of removing federally required orange tip from toy gun; establishes crime of disguising a firearm by adding an orange muzzle tip.
* S739 Clarifies possession of machine guns and assault firearms by certain law enforcement officers.
* S776 Prohibits sale and possession of disguised knives.
* S809 Clarifies that licensed dealers may provide firearms for display at fund raising events sponsored by certain tax exempt organizations.
* S1005 Increases penalty for illegal firearms' sale within 1,000 feet of school.

flame away


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[Soybomb]

I think this takes your concerns of RFID in a very different direction than the last thread. The last one seemed to be focused on privacy and tracking and ignored the technological barriers to that. If you want to look at it as more expense and hassle for gun makers like ammunition serial numbers, then you've got a very valid complaint.

Supplemental appropriation of $4,000,000 to fund CeaseFire pilot program in Newark, Trenton and Camden

So whats this about? Is this the same ceasefire program that campaigns for anti laws?

 

[Poper]

* A681 Prohibits the sale, importation, possession and carrying of handguns except by certain authorized persons.

Is this intended to effect an out right BAN?

*scratching head*

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

many paths to the same hole


...and here you can see why we are all on the same side, regardless of differences in weapon preference, philosophy, politics, or traditional vs MMA.

:banghead:

 

[BigBadJohn]

I work for a pharmaceutical company that also has a animal health division,we make RFID chips for pets. The RFID chips only work if you have a scanner that can read the information in the chip. At today's present level of technology the only way I could see the possible use of RFID for firearms is in cases of theft or through a walkthrough scanner to see if you are carrying. It in no way works like lo jack or other tracking devices, if it did I just might break out my Deluxe tinfoil hat.

 

[RandomTask]

* S715 Clarifies that "airsoft" guns are firearms.

***???? These people are sick.

 

[ambush]

^^^ I know, I live here. Legislators have lost their minds.^^^

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

please

I'm not into arguing about something that is already in

shampoo, razors, some ID's, many new 'smart homes', and increasingly in retail outlets already. The information is out there, do your homework.

And you can always do a google news search for 'smart dust'.

Besides, once again, it's not about rationale, reason is not part of the program for anti gun pawns or politicians. It's about sounding good, feeling good, and speaking in a way that masses relate to.

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[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

Also

* S537 Establishes a Gun Court Pilot Program in Passaic County.

This is something I'm familiar with in other countries, NOT something you want in America. It is as close to a concentration center as you can get with unusually harsh guards and conditions.

After all, he WAS a gun owner.

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[Ragnar Danneskjold]

We need to win Heller.

 

[Titan6]

So whats this about? Is this the same ceasefire program that campaigns for anti laws?

But of course. The DOJ is a major supporter. Why would the government fund a major anti-gun group? Nothing to see here.... move along.... no conspiracy....

http://www.ceasefirechicago.org/major_funders.shtml

 

[Eyesac]

It in no way works like lo jack or other tracking devices, if it did I just might break out my Deluxe tinfoil hat.

Technology makes huge leaps and bounds each year. Say what you want but who would have thought that half the electronic devices could be doing what they do today was possible in say 1995... I still can't believe my cell phone works where it does. I'll be honest, this whole notion of RFID in guns for even common items freaks me out!

 

[revjen45]

BigBadJohn, Remember that even a deluxe tinfoil hat has to be grounded to work.

 

[RoadkingLarry]

* A693 Prohibits possession of ammunition capable of penetrating body armor.

There go your hunting rifles , actually pretty much any centerfire rifle.

 

[41magsnub]

Do they quantify what body armor means specifically such as what class or level or whatever? I remember the flak jackets we had the in the army that I doubt would have stopped a .22 and technically those are body armor.

 

[rero360]

so an airsoft gun is considered a firearm but a bb gun isn't? that makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Pigspitter]

There go your hunting rifles , actually pretty much any centerfire rifle.

That also means any 7.62tokarev pistols and the 5Seven

 

[Zedicus]

so an airsoft gun is considered a firearm but a bb gun isn't? that makes absolutely no sense.

Nither do Anti-Gun Bigots....

 

[Grandpa Shooter]

Thanks Sam


Grandpa

 

[dave_pro2a]

It in no way works like lo jack or other tracking devices

Actually, you could track movement using RFID chips and multiple readers.

Put a reader in every stop light, and you will be able to tell who went under the intersection, what time, which direction, etc.

Not much different than automatic toll passes: which also can track movement.

So yes, RFIDs cannot be a lo-jack... but with readers in place they could be used to track movement or to detect items at any given specific point.

Youtube it... There's even been some interesting things done by hackers. Near instanious cloning of RFID chips. Booby traps keyed to co-workers RFID chips (just like a bomb could be).

 

[Spyvie]

Tinfoil holsters

There are some very real concerns with RFID tracking, and not just in our firearms. The tags are in every US passport, a lot of common credit cards and are increasingly showing up in other consumer product applications like Michelin tires.

But...

The chips can be shielded from detection with metal, and disabled (fried) with microwaves or strong magnetic fields. They can even be accessed to change the information or just blocked with a jammer. This stuff is all fairly new so information is a little scarce and still mostly the domain of hacker types, but I think we will eventually learn how to deal with it.

 

[ilbob]

RFID is cheap and very effective for its intended purposes. Adding an RFID tag to a gun would be quite easy. The technology is not an issue. These things are everywhere these days.

Now what legitimate purpose having such a thing on a gun would serve, I just do not know.

And as another poster mentioned, they are fairly easy to disable.

 

[CentralTexas]

HK already uses RFID in pistols

Pull the backstrap off a few new manufactured K&H's....

Don't worry though, it's just for inventory purposes!

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

RFID coming in droves......

Now my horse even has a tin foil suit. Still working on the crap bag . . .

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Stables add RFID to equestrian training
A startup uses RFID technology to better train show riders.
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Horse Whisperer: Heidi Lemack-Beck's high-tech helmet helps her connect better with Jazzmine.

Horse Cents: Josh Horton (left) and Jason Beck are selling their system to stables.

In this patent-pending automated system, the sensors on the wall pinpoint the rider by the tag on her helmet. The computer moves the cameras to follow her and records the resulting video of the performance.

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ALLENTOWN, N.J. (FORTUNE Small Business) -- As Heidi Lemack-Beck rides her horse Jazzmine around the arena at Rhythm & Blues Stables in Allentown, N.J., six pairs of electronic eyes watch every move of these skilled competitors. Heidi quickens the pace of the 16-year-old mare from a trot to a canter, and the cameras swivel to track them - or rather to track the cracker-sized RFID tag stuck to the top of Heidi's helmet.

The systems that help drivers pay for their gas with the wave of a key fob and pass through toll booths without fumbling for change have made RFID, or radio-frequency identification, familiar to millions of consumers. And businesses are figuring out new ways to put RFID to work.

Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500) says it has wrung more than $100 million in savings from its supply chain since it began asking vendors three years ago to tag shipments with RFID chips readable by Wal-Mart's tracking system. But less than 1% of its vendors have adopted the technology. The cost of each tag, about 40 cents, is just the beginning. As FSB wrote in "Wireless Grapes" (March 2006), even small vendors pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to integrate the system into their supply chains.

While the big guys fumble with the technology, a new generation of RFID entrepreneurs is finding niche markets. Take Jason Beck, 37, Heidi Lemack-Beck's husband and an instructor at Rhythm & Blues. He and Josh Horton, a database programmer who keeps a horse at the stable, developed the technology that's taping Heidi and her horse. Now Beck is selling the system for upwards of $10,000 to other stables via his startup, Integrated Equine Technologies.

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Beck started experimenting with the idea a decade ago, he says, "because I wanted to teach riding more effectively."

In dressage, the slightest change in form can make a huge difference in the scores that judges assign. When training, riders usually watch themselves on mirrors posted around the arena - a practice that can distract the horse. Most stables lack the personnel to make useful videotapes of the practice sessions, which can run for hours. The automated system offers Heidi clear video footage of her ride from multiple angles. The system is patent pending and "sounds like a unique application of the technology," says Dan Mullen, president of AIM Global, an RFID trade association.

Entrepreneurs are coming up with more novel uses for RFID. RF Surgical, based in Bellevue, Wash., sells sponges that sound a warning to surgeons if they are being sewn inside patients. The company will add RFID to scalpels, forceps, and other surgical tools in mid-2008.

Integrated Equine wants to break into other markets where automating videotaping would be useful - "anything from homeland security to taping live theater," says Beck.

Later this year he hopes to install systems in as many as 40 other stables. Stable owners regularly pony up thousands of dollars for training devices, Beck says. His system would enable them to offer more effective feedback to equestrians - as well as to raise lesson prices.

What's your take on the RFID technology? Talk to us here.

 

[SamTuckerMTNMAN]

By the way Brigade Quarter masters has a "tin foil" passport and card bag to shield all transmissions from prying. . . . RFID thieves!