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(RI) Police want to eliminate warrants.

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  1. hammer4nc

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    Comment: How often is it said in this forum: "Don't blame the police, they don't make the laws!" Yet, many freedom-robbing laws are passed with the strong support of law enforcement. Here is but one more example; police are not merely supporting, but proposing such a new law.

    Their statements show how little value is placed on constitutional rights...(in effect) "heck, right now we can get a judge to sign any warrant in an hour, day or night, so lets just change the law to eliminate this little nuisance".

    I'll leave it to other members to post up the vocal uprising against this proposed law, by the 99.9% of "good" cops who (we are told) value our civil rights. The debate should be interesting, eh?
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    http://www.boston.com/news/local/rh.../05/14/state_police_seek_wide_ranging_powers/

    State Police, ACLU at odds over phone records legislation

    May 14, 2007

    PROVIDENCE, R.I. --Police departments would be able to obtain Rhode Islanders' telephone and Internet records without court review or a warrant under legislation pending before the General Assembly.

    The Rhode Island State Police, which is pushing the legislation, said it is too time-consuming when investigating Internet crime to appear before a judge to get a warrant. But critics say the bills would infringe on citizens' privacy rights and do not guarantee that the records are needed for a legitimate purpose.

    "It amounts to a wholesale invasion of Rhode Islanders' privacy," said Steven Brown, executive director of the Rhode Island affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union.

    Under the legislation, any police chief, the state police superintendent and the attorney general would be able to issue subpoenas requiring companies that provide communications services to turn over names, addresses, local and long-distance telephone records and other information.

    Though the police currently must receive a warrant from a judge before getting the records, the proposed legislation would do away with that requirement.

    Craig Berke, a spokesman for the state court system, said a search warrant can typically be obtained in less than an hour and that the police are able to call judges at home if there's an urgent need at night.

    The bills are pending before the House and Senate judiciary committees but may be revised. Identical legislation died in the General Assembly last year after sharp criticism from civil liberties groups.

    Gov. Don Carcieri would not back a bill strongly opposed by civil liberties groups, spokesman Jeff Neal said, but has not taken a position on whether the police should be required to go before a judge to obtain the records.
     
  2. Robert Hairless

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    An hour here, an hour there ... the time begins to mount up pretty quickly. Besides, if you haven't done anything wrong you shouldn't have anything to worry about. :)
     
  3. REOIV

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    You think gun control laws are bad don't get me started on computer law. It is 1000 times worse.

    Case in point if you bought a master lock from the store and a kid found out that you could pick it with a pair of tweezers they would recall the lock or down play the issue.

    Find out how to crack encryption on a DVD, MP3 encoder it is a felony for even pointing it out.

    If you want to decode something so blind people or deaf people could use the software that is a felony.

    If you want to copy your DVD so you can back it up for fair use? You got it felony for going around the DVD encryption.

    If you had your books and a photo copier on your front lawn and kids came by and photo copied all your books. Who is at fault you or the kids? The kids naturally.

    If you have a file on your computer and someone downloads it and they don't own a copy of that movie guess who's fault it is? Yours.

    The RIAA and MPAA just file lawsuits against IP addresses and then later try to track it down to the person's name. It would be like automatically every time a gun is used in a crime charging any owner attached to that serial number and it is up to you to prove you didn't own it last.

    Oh and now thanks to the Patriot act many computer crimes are considered terrorism.

    Instead of your 2nd amendment rights your 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th are routinely waived and violated.
     
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  4. TexasRifleman

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    Ahhh the war on (some) drugs.....

    We can't have them flushing that dope now can we?

    All of you turn in your rights so we can have a couple of bags of pot off the street.

    Disclaimer: Never done any drugs, but I'm smart enough to see the danger to rights in the "war" against them.
     
  5. Ratzinger_p38

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    Guess that whole 'Bill of Rights' thing is just a wee inconvenient for them...
     
  6. Bacchus

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    I wouldn't have believed it had I not read the story directly...wow, am I naive...
     
  7. ghschirtz

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    Didn't we already have this decided at the federal level in a dump on George Bush regarding wiretaps for national security purposes?

    And now a penny-ante little state LEO department is so majestic in its mission it can have what POTUS cannot...???!!!!!!

    *** is happening around here?
     
  8. romma

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    The all Powerful and Mighty State Police of RI know what's best, so C'mon, let's hope RI citizens/subjects at least give'Em a try! ;)
     
  9. budney

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    Who's surprised that this is in Rhode Island? Anyone? Anyone?
     
  10. pacodelahoya

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    Nothing suprises me anymore, as a matter of fact, I say "I told you so!" more and more often.

    And all along, they thought I was just crazy.;)
     
  11. obxned

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    So which part of the Constitution gets flushed down the toilet next?
     
  12. ghschirtz

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    Letter to Editor, Providence Journal:

    Dear Editor:
    It seems the RI State Police think their drug investigations are more important than national security. The issue of warrantless wiretaps was settled in Washington DC, that warrants were required for NSA to tap phone lines as part of the anti-terrorist campaign of the Bush Administration.

    Unless RISP can demonstrate that drug users and sellers in RI are more of a threat to this country than people who fly airplanes into buildings and regularly indicate, in word and deed, that they intend to kill anyone who does not convert to Islam, RISP should be required to get a warrant for any wiretap.

    RISP's needs are not more important than the Bill of Rights. That may come as a shock to their management, but if they are big boys, they can handle it.
     
  13. glennv

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    Don't forget the "Firing Pin Mirco-stamping" bill that's also heading to committee in RI. It's going to be a great year!!
     
  14. ATW525

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    This new legislation is just common sense. The likes of the Gestapo, Stazi and KGB had already figured this out long ago. Police work is much more efficient when you toss those pesky civil rights out the window.
     
  15. Erebus

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    Let the fishing expeditions begin!!
     
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    Rhode Island is a horrible state (look at my location, I live here, I know) run by corrupt, self righteous morons. I work part time at the state house, my tongue bleeds cause I have to bite it so hard to keep myself from screaming at the top of my lungs HOW STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE. There is not a single brain in the Rhode Island State Senate. This piece of legislation does not surprise me in the least, recently the senate passed a bill that would require that you buy a $15 card that expires every five years that you would need to purchase alcohol. As soon as I can get out of this state, I am gone.
     
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    As a sidenote not to throw off the thread but the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 did not regularly indicate that they intend to kill anyone who does not convert to Islam. This is a bad standard to hold people to because it is not based on reality.

    Either way it is good to see that the LEOs of RI are believers in the Bill of Rights.
     
  18. TreeSquid

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    The police currently can obtain a warrant to get the information of any suspected criminal anyway, that may well be true. But that's just because they aren't stupid enough to request warrants for "My neighbor's kid keeps tossing his dog's poop over the fence into my yard, I want to see if I can dig up some dirt on him, and show that little bastard who's boss!" ...If there are no repercussions or restrictions on information gathering, then they'll completely run amok. What a bunch of crybabies, they want to do away with one of the most precious and important rights that Americans have, because waiting an hour for a warrant is too inconvenient? This is why there's such an adversarial relationship between cops and civilians these days...so many people in law enforcement (not all, of course, but a disturbingly high amount) ACTUALLY DO think they're above the law. It makes me sick.
     
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    Wow, This is a great idea! But instead of going without warrants why do they not just pass an anti privacy law?

    This way everyone can know everything about everyone! We make everyone phone and internet records open especially that of the police and political leaders. Anyone allowed to listen in on everyones phone calls, look in their personal and business files on the computer.

    No reason to stop there either! Grant free travel on everyone's property for anyone to look at whatever and collect and copy everyone's personal property. That would indeed be socialist heaven...
     
  20. Mannix

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    This is where I draw my personal line for "unintended consequences".
     
  21. romma

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    Nevermind this! I would be curious to see what the track record is like for Good Ole RI with regards to the ratio of warrants panning out vs. turning up nothing pertaining to the content of said warrant.

    Also, How many warrants are requested and granted vs. another State with a similar population.

    Anyone know?
     
  22. xd9fan

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    That worked really well in Germany...in the 1930's....
     
  23. Fburgtx

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    Exactly, XD9fan!!! When all you did to break the law was to be "born Jewish", then it's hard to be a "law-abiding citizen". It's a shame that some folks think we should throw out the bill of rights just to make cops' jobs easier. Maybe we should just throw out "informed consent" for medical procedures, too. It would sure as heck make doctors' jobs easier if they could just do any procedure they wanted on you, whether you liked it or not. Sorry to "incovenience" all the LEO's who have to wait an hour for the warrant. If they feel it's a life or death situation, they can already enter/search without a warrant, but I can't stand it when I see footage of SWAT teams busting in houses to take down folks for crimes that the cops have known about for weeks or crimes that cause no imminent danger (Watch the guy until he leaves to go to Wal-Mart, THEN bust him!!! He has to leave the house some time. Leave the Army/SWAT team at home!!!)
     
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