RIA ejector problem

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I traded for this RIA 9mm FS. The first time I took it to the range I tried running a few magazines of the Fiocchi steel case ammo and it would not eject a single round. So I tried a magazine of my Speer Gold Dots and not a problem. I assumed the problem is that it doesn't like steel case ammo.
Today, I took it to the range with a box of Winchester White box 9 mm, and it did not seem to like that either, although it would cycle about 1/3 to 1/2 of the time.
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The round would not come out. I can remove the magazine and tilt the gun upward and shake it causing the round to fall. Today, I tried another partial magazine of Speer and the gun ran smoothly. So, what seems to be the problem and what is the fix.
Thanks in advance
 
Just taking a stab at it I would say that the extractor needs adjustment or the slide needs to be taken totally down and cleaned where the extractor inserts into the slide. I’ve had carbon and unburnt powder collect there preventing proper tension before. Why would it extract one and not the other besides being steel casing but not stuck. Perhaps diameter of rim on steel case out of spec. My two cents.
 
Just taking a stab at it I would say that the extractor needs adjustment or the slide needs to be taken totally down and cleaned where the extractor inserts into the slide. I’ve had carbon and unburnt powder collect there preventing proper tension before. Why would it extract one and not the other besides being steel casing but not stuck. Perhaps diameter of rim on steel case out of spec. My two cents.

^^^^This is most likely^^^^

After you clean out the extractor channel, inspect the extractor hook to make sure it is not broken or chipped. If it is good, reassemble the extractor and firing pin stop and check extractor tension with a fired case: with the slide off the frame, slip the case rim under the extractor hook and into firing position against the breech face. It should stay in place-- and should stay in place when shaken slightly. I also like to do this check with a loaded round. If the extractor will allow it to easily slide in place and it will not fall out with a slight shake, the extractor tension is pretty good.

Note: the round should slip up under the extractor hook smoothly. If it does not, the hook probably needs tuning.
Look here:
For extractor tension adjustment, look here:

If tension is good, and the hook is good, check the fit of the firing pin stop to the extractor groove. If the stop is too loose (likely) or the groove is cut too large (unlikely), the extractor may be loose enough to move a bit forward and back in the channel, changing extractor effectiveness. You will need to fit an oversized firing pin stop to correct that problem. (Easily done). If the firing pin stop is too loose (thin) and too narrow across the rear of the slide, the extractor can also rotate slightly in the channel. (Also corrected by fitting a new oversize FPS)

All of this to say: If the extractor is in good condition, tensioned properly, and the channel is clean, a properly fitted extractor/firing pin stop should keep the extractor from moving in its channel, both rotationally, and forward/backward. The key to getting good and consistent extraction is "all of the above" and cartridge cases that are in spec.

I've had 2 RIA's and both had rather loose factory firing pin stops. Not enough to be a consistent problem of any sort, but both guns became more reliable with new FPS's.

I strongly suspect that a new firing pin stop is in your future! (however, a good cleaning could be just the ticket!)
 
Excellent post, drband.

I would add that hook-to-breechface distance for a 9mm should be .060". This distance allows the cartridge rim to rotate freely up into position as it comes out of the magazine. A greater distance will allow the extractor claw to contact the case bevel ahead of the extractor groove which could result in feeding problems.

I'll also add that there are three facets that must be addressed when fitting any internal 1911 extractor:
  • Geometry
  • Deflection
  • Tension
The following link is specifically for fitting .45 extractors but the same concepts are used regardless of caliber.

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=829865
 
Excellent post, drband.

I would add that hook-to-breechface distance for a 9mm should be .060". This distance allows the cartridge rim to rotate freely up into position as it comes out of the magazine. A greater distance will allow the extractor claw to contact the case bevel ahead of the extractor groove which could result in feeding problems.

I'll also add that there are three facets that must be addressed when fitting any internal 1911 extractor:
  • Geometry
  • Deflection
  • Tension
The following link is specifically for fitting .45 extractors but the same concepts are used regardless of caliber.

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=829865

@Steve in Allentown: So glad you posted this! I have seen your post and used it, but forgot where I had seen it before. It's probably the most useful guide I have ever seen! Thanks again for making it all available!
 
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