RIA GI 1911?

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If you are looking for a GI-type 1911 (as close as possible to the WW2 version), the two moderate-price competitors are RIA and Kahr / Thompson. The Kahr / Thompson is much closer to the prototype, except for one thing -- it has a Series 80 firing-pin safety. (The Series 80 safety is not visible from the outside, and it can be removed and replaced by GI parts if you put a proper spacer in the frame.)

Are you a stickler for authenticity, or just a shooter?
 
If you are looking for a GI-type 1911 (as close as possible to the WW2 version), the two moderate-price competitors are RIA and Kahr / Thompson. The Kahr / Thompson is much closer to the prototype, except for one thing -- it has a Series 80 firing-pin safety. (The Series 80 safety is not visible from the outside, and it can be removed and replaced by GI parts if you put a proper spacer in the frame.)

Are you a stickler for authenticity, or just a shooter?
I'd rather a 1911 that has modern conveniences than historical accuracy. The only thing I'm really looking for is to get something parkerized because I like the look of it better, I'd also like to get a stainless later on to have one of each but parkerized looks cooler IMO.
 
This is my RIA. I had a $100 gift card and Gander Mountain had these on sale for $400.00 I was able to buy a full sized 1911 for $300!! What a deal!! Gander was nice enough to let me pick the best out of three, this has a great trigger and is tight all over. It is amazingly tight. No slide play, no barrel hood play, its tight all over!!

This is the pistol with factory grips. Boring.

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This is my RIA with prettier grips. I just love the double diamond and the brown/red of Cocobolo. I also liked the checkering. Looks a lot more GI with just a change of grips.

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First thing out, magazines unlatched. This part was defective:

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RIA sent me a new magazine release for free, new one works perfectly.

My RIA ejected brass reliably but the stuff went 20 feet. It also ate up shock buffs. I am lazy and don't like chasing brass all over the country side and I started installing heavier recoil springs. I have a 24 pound recoil spring inside, it takes some hand strength to rack the slide, but now brass ejects like all my other 1911's. I really don't know if such a heavier recoil spring will do anything bad to the pistol or not, I have noticed my shock buffs are doing very well. I wonder if a stronger spring improves feed reliability. The sucker will chamber a round.

This pistol shoots to point of aim, but it is clearly not a target pistol. It will hold everything inside my 12" gong target at 25 yards, I don't remember exactly the group size, but I think it was half of the gong target, so maybe everything goes in six inches at 25 yards.

My Les Baer will do this:

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Ernest, a 72 year old Bullseye shooter, did this at 50 yards with his pistol:

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To have a 1911 that will shoot as good as Ernest's pistol will probably cost you between $2500 and $3500 dollars. And you will have to wait a year, maybe more. I recently asked the Gunsmith for the Army Reserve Team how many months he was behind, and he just groaned.

My RIA leads right in the throat with cast lead bullets. No problem with jacketed. I am going to load up some abrasive bullets and shoot them down the tube and see if that polishes the throat. This pistol has zero problems feeding my 200 LSWC's, 230 LRN, and of course, 230 FMJ RN. Every 1911 should feed a 230 FMJ RN.

I don't have any problems with the skinny sights, and it is not like I can see iron sights clearly any more. They are good enough for general orientation. These GI sights are adequate for spitting distances, and as the range master said, when I moved the target out to 25 yards, "if they are that far away they are not a problem". Well, maybe not to me. But I will be to them. The original configuration GI sights are snag free, if that is any consideration.

I wanted a thumb cocking 1911. I did not want a beavertail. I think cocked and locked is dangerous, I have had the thumb safety bump off too many times, and a beavertail just gets in the way of thumb cocking a 1911. And it gets in the way of lowering the hammer. You might as well go striker fired if you are going cocked and locked. If I carry the thing, or use it as a "truck gun" it will be transported in condition 2, that is, round in the chamber and hammer down. This is how the gun was designed to be carried, accidental discharges changed the mode of carry to cocked and locked, in the flap holster. By the time you get to Vietnam you were not allowed to put a magazine in the pistol until you were on the way to the drop zone, and you could only chamber a round once you were on the ground. But the pre WW1 mode of carry was round in chamber, hammer down, in the flap holster. Incidentally this is the mode that General Hatcher recommended, and he personally knew John Browning. These guys who carried Colt SAA's on the Indian frontier were not scared of thumb cocking nor lowering the hammer. I can thumb cock with the best of them, either using the pistol hand, or the support hand to thumb cock.

I use two hands to lower the hammer. The middle finger of the left hand is between the hammer and slide, the forefinger in the hammer spur notch. I pull the trigger with the right hand and pull out the left middle finger, which lowers the hammer, and use the forefinger in the hammer spur notch to control things once the middle finger is free. That gets the hammer down slowly. I did notice in the Texas Ranger Museum in San Antonio, lots of pictures of Texas Rangers on horseback, with 1911's in open holsters, and the hammer down. I can't prove the 1911's were loaded, but I don't think those men were all that scared of condition 2.
 
Then maybe I'm mixing up my terms, what's the finish on the Springfield Range Officer?
The Range Officer (there are now several "Range Officer" models in the Springfield line-up) does have a parkerized finish, at least this one.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/products/1911-range-officer-45-acp/

Note the adjustable sights, and the LPA sight cut. You've got to decide whether you want a fixed sight Novak (the Loaded model) or the adjustable sight LPA (Range Officer).

When the Range Officer was introduced, I spent a whole bunch of key strokes trying to point out the adjustable LPA sight cut to folks and that perhaps they may be better served with the Loaded model. My efforts were largely unsuccessful, and we ended up with a bunch of threads over the next few years such as "I'm looking for a fixed sight for my Springfield Range Officer", or "Why don't they make a night sight for the Range Officer", etc.

A handful of companies did come out with fixed sights for the Range Officer, and while I'm sure they are all fine sights, they are what I'd call interesting looking. The Novak cut gives a few more options.

However, if you're looking for a range only or target 1911, the Range Officer is probably the better choice than the Loaded model.

Like I said in my first post - you've got to decide whether you want fixed or adjustable sights and whether you want a GI or beavertail grip safety. You seem to have shown a preference for the beavertail grip safety, now you just need to pick a sight.
 
Two great options that combine parkerized finish with value added features include the Springfield Mil-Spec, and the Springfield loaded.

If you want the lowered, flared ejection port, plus three dot decent sights, take a look at the mil-spec. If you want another step up with Novak style sights, the loaded is worth a look. FWIW, I've seen some NIB Mil-Specs on Gunbroker at dirt cheap prices over that past few months.


I'd rather a 1911 that has modern conveniences than historical accuracy. The only thing I'm really looking for is to get something parkerized because I like the look of it better, I'd also like to get a stainless later on to have one of each but parkerized looks cooler IMO.
 
If I carry the thing, or use it as a "truck gun" it will be transported in condition 2, that is, round in the chamber and hammer down.
I have always carried my 1911 in this manner. Never felt comfortable with the cocked & locked method. Maybe due the my experience with revolvers the motion of cocking the pistol with my thumb felt more natural than unlocking.
 
You may want to double-check if it is safe to carry the pistol in condition two. I'm not sure if there is a firing pin safety on this model.

If I am not mistaken, carrying in condition two is dangerous because if something hits the hammer the firing pin is directly on the primer of the chambered round.

I believe that they were meant to be carried cocked and locked.

"Being afraid or not being afraid" to carry the gun in condition number two is not the issue. The real issue is whether mechanically it is safer to carry the pistol cocked and locked or is it safer to carry it with the hammer down round in the chamber.
 
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You may want to double-check if it is safe to carry the pistol in condition two. I'm not sure if there is a firing pin safety on this model.
Condition 2 is not my thing (and I generally think guys recommending it to guys new to the 1911 are doing a disservice), but it is no less safe - once in Condition 2 - than Condition 1.

An engaged thumb safety has no bearing on the free floating 1911 firing pin. If you drop a non-firing pin safety equipped 1911 on the muzzle, with enough force, regardless if it is in Condition 1 or Condition 2, it has the same chance of igniting a round.
 
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You may want to double-check if it is safe to carry the pistol in condition two. I'm not sure if there is a firing pin safety on this model.

If I am not mistaken, carrying in condition two is dangerous because if something hits the hammer the firing pin is directly on the primer of the chambered round.

I believe that they were meant to be carried cocked and locked.

"Being afraid or not being afraid" to carry the gun in condition number two is not the issue. The real issue is whether mechanically it is safer to carry the pistol cocked and locked or is it safer to carry it with the hammer down round in the chamber.

Was this not addressed to you in Springfield 1911 milspec mistake


How was this pistol supposed to be carried?

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Carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, the only thing holding the hammer back are these thin sear surfaces

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Drop your 1911 on the hammer and I don't see why it won't shear one of those sear surfaces. Now, John Browning designed the rebounding firing pin so it would not touch the primer when the hammer was down. However, drop a 1911 without a firing pin block from a great enough height, and that rebounding firing pin will bounce off the primer.

It has been over one hundred years since the 1911 became the US Army service pistol, and no one I know was around then. And also, people as a general rule, really don't know their history. Sometime in the 1950's Jeff Cooper and his crowd experimented with combat shooting, trying to find the best training for combat shooting with a handgun. This training has more or less devolved into quick draw games. Generations of Cooperites have played quick draw games which the rules were written around the cocked and locked 1911, and altered the original design to make the pistol more competitive. Cooperites have been doing this for so long, they have forgotten the original configuration of the pistol, the original way it was to be carried, and created their own narrative and an origin story. Given centuries more of this, I wonder what it will morph into. I hope it does not develop as badly as the cult of Xipe Totec . The Mesoamerican's noticed that corn burst its husk, snakes shed their skins, seeds burst from the earth and created their own narrative and origin story. Given enough time, they developed a religion that required their priests to wear the flayed skins of human sacrifices!

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I have the RIA GI model and also an RIA in 10mm. Both have been great. The 10mm, on occasion with hot reloads or Underwood 200gr JHPs, the slide will lock back on a live mag due to the recoil. I purchased another slide stop that I modified and that's no longer an issue. The GI model has never malfunctioned with purchased JHPs and only 2 or 3 times have I experienced a bobble with my own cast SWCs (though hundreds of trouble-free 185gr and 200gr SWCs have run through it). The only changes made to it are walnut grip panels.

A little off topic, I use the GI model often with first time shooters using lighter reloads. I have a Tanfoglio Witness CO2 bb pistol that is identical in every way to the GI model (with the exception of the arched mainspring housing) to the extent that some of the parts such as the grip safety, manual safety and slide stop interchange. The grips interchange as well and it also now wears walnut panels. After going over the basics with the Tanfoglio and they become comfortable with manipulating the slide and controls (the reciprocating slide helps as well to add a wee bit of recoil), we move on to the RIA 1911 GI model.
My sister-in-law who has lived in Manhattan all her life wanted to shoot a "real" handgun just once and skip the .22LR. During her last visit, this worked like a charm. I love taking liberals shootings. My wife (still a liberal), loves taking her Kimber to the range.

Rock Island Armory turns out very decent 1911s. I doubt you can go wrong with one.


GI model second from the top with the 10mm RIA below it.
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Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Nothing inherently wrong with RIA, some just prefer other brands with other options for various reasons. I’ve had one and traded it off years ago when they were still inexpensive (<$300). There are other comparable “entry-level” 1911s out there worth looking at. ATI comes to mind. I believe all share the same frame manufacturer, FWIW. You pay your money and take your chances.
 
The Range Officer (there are now several "Range Officer" models in the Springfield line-up) does have a parkerized finish, at least this one.

https://www.springfield-armory.com/products/1911-range-officer-45-acp/

Note the adjustable sights, and the LPA sight cut. You've got to decide whether you want a fixed sight Novak (the Loaded model) or the adjustable sight LPA (Range Officer).

When the Range Officer was introduced, I spent a whole bunch of key strokes trying to point out the adjustable LPA sight cut to folks and that perhaps they may be better served with the Loaded model. My efforts were largely unsuccessful, and we ended up with a bunch of threads over the next few years such as "I'm looking for a fixed sight for my Springfield Range Officer", or "Why don't they make a night sight for the Range Officer", etc.

A handful of companies did come out with fixed sights for the Range Officer, and while I'm sure they are all fine sights, they are what I'd call interesting looking. The Novak cut gives a few more options.

However, if you're looking for a range only or target 1911, the Range Officer is probably the better choice than the Loaded model.

Like I said in my first post - you've got to decide whether you want fixed or adjustable sights and whether you want a GI or beavertail grip safety. You seem to have shown a preference for the beavertail grip safety, now you just need to pick a sight.
How problematic is target sights going to be for duty use? I'm kind of leaning towards the Ruger SR1911 as a back up which is similar price range but seems set up as a defense gun while range officer seems like a range gun (whodathunk?) but if nothing else between the finish and those sweet Springfield grips I'd rather get the Springfield all other things being equal.
 
Two great options that combine parkerized finish with value added features include the Springfield Mil-Spec, and the Springfield loaded.

If you want the lowered, flared ejection port, plus three dot decent sights, take a look at the mil-spec. If you want another step up with Novak style sights, the loaded is worth a look. FWIW, I've seen some NIB Mil-Specs on Gunbroker at dirt cheap prices over that past few months.
I'll check some youtube reviews
 
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