Rimfire blank as muzzleloader ignition?

[WestKentucky]

Has it been done? Use of a rimfire blank to ignite a charge in a muzzleloader? Seems a 22 blank would be more than adequate for the purpose, easier to use than a 209 while maintaining a similar level of reliability. Also seems like a hotter ignition which could potentially play into possible use of smokeless shotgun powder In a muzzleloader if adequate care in loading was taken. Thinking possibly seat a bullet over a sub-caliber funnel leading towards a flash hole behind which the 22 blank would reside. It would be a very interesting breechblock for sure.

 

[chicharrones]

Are .22 blanks less powerful than nail gun "cartridges"?

Nail gun loads have some real juice in them and makes me wonder . . .

 

[dodo bird]

Good question. I do know that a toy cap from the old cap gun revolvers (the circle plastic ones) will work in a cap and ball revolver. That being said reliability is not %100. You can still find them sometimes at gas stations.

 

[WestKentucky]

Are .22 blanks less powerful than nail gun "cartridges"?

Nail gun loads have some real juice in them and makes me wonder . . .

Well that’s kinda where my mind wandered to as well when I thought about it. It does seem quite reasonable to launch a bullet using those blanks. And if you used a rifles barrel of diameter larger than the 22 blank chamber then it would be an inline muzzleloader. A person with better understanding of internal ballistics and pressures would probably be able to take the idea and run with it, but a relatively clean burning smokeless powder mixed with a Muzzle-loading rifle has long been lusted after by many folks.

 

[chicharrones]

I remember watching a friend of mine launch 14 grain .22 air rifle pellets out of his .22 LR bolt gun using nail gun loads. There were videos on the net showing how this can be done, too.

The short version of this is that a .22 air rifle pellet would go through 1/16" sheet metal with a perfectly punched hole. No deformation or "petals" in the hole, just nearly as perfect as you drilled it with a power drill. The pellet virtually turned to dust, though.

Anyway, it makes me think that using a nail gun load to ignite a muzzle loading charge might be a real bad idea. That's why I'm wondering if a .22 blank is similar to a nail gun load.

 

[TheOutlawKid]

Heres what you want...its a nipple that will accept a .22 blank and maybe even a .22 short. I bet the casses can be refilled with homemade priming compound (h48 or similar) and reused over and over.

https://hc-collection.oxatis.com/no...kit-for-44-bp-percussion-revolver-c2x27391634

 

[kBob]

Dixie Gun Works (DGW) used to sell turned cartridges for rim fire calibers that featured a chamber on the rim for crimped .22 Blank cartridges like used in the old starter pistols. You aligned the cartridge so the blank rim would be struck by the firing pin. The crimped .22 Blank then acted as a primer for the main charge.

The crimp blanks had a crimp that began just beyond the rim and were about as tall as thick. they were nowhere near as powerful as nail setting blanks. Some reported simply removing the bullet and powder from a .22 RF cartridge and using just the rimfire primer to set off the charge,

The cartridges back in the 1960s were sold in round tins like pellet tins.

Check and see if Dixie still has them and a write up.

I would think for shotguns a turned cartridge with an offset .22 chamber using de bulleted and de powdered .22 cases would work fine but don't do it based on that, I might be very wrong!

-kBob

 

[Ugly Sauce]

The trouble I see is, a 209 primer is not even needed for 100% reliability if the design of the gun is good, and it is cleaned and loaded properly. Even flintlocks are 100% reliable, if you know what you are doing. So...a solution to a non-problem? Or, a solution to poor design, or flawed cleaning and loading techniques?

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Why?

 

[alsaqr]

Just don't see the need. Two of my inline rifles use 209 primers; they function as designed every time. Other rifles use #11 caps, they also function every time.