Rob Arms XCR ???s

[Roadwild17]

I currently have 2 AKs and a SKS all in x39 and was wondering if Rob Arms has relised the XCR in x39?

Also, does anyone know what a reliable mag for the XCR in x39 would be, (I seam to remember they went with an AR style mag holding x39)?

I assume accuracy would be a little better then an AK, can anyone back that up for me with first hand experience?

Thanks

 

[everallm]

Roadwild,

Most of your questions (and a lot more) are answered on the XCR forum

www.xcrforum.com

The magazines will be C-Products

Based on folks enthusiasm for the platform, expect the first range reports to probably be on the forum within 12 hours of the first to get their sweaty little mitts on them....

Comment from Robinson on shipping the first 50 odd on the 10th July

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Re: 7.62x39mm Update
« Reply #143 on: July 10, 2008, 10:45:24 »

Still testing on the 6.5. Don't have a date for you guys right now. I found that putting thumbtacks in the engineers' desk chairs is not a motivator. Duh Grin

Not ALL OF YOU will be getting your 7.62 kits THIS shipment. We have 51 barrels this first batch - that is going to go towards both kits and rifles. We have quite a few orders of both. There are 250 more barrels that will be ready in 4-6 weeks, at which time ALL the back orders will be covered. So, if you do not get your kit this first batch, it will be coming shortly.

Those of you who do get one, there will be a hammer installation sheet. Make sure you find + read it.


Updated link for you

http://xcrforum.com/index.php/topic,1224.0.html

 

[variablebinary]

The Robarm mag is made by C-products. They make a decent mag so I am sure the x39 mags will be G2G.

 

[armoredman]

I'd look happy surrounded by high quality rifles, too...

 

[ny32182]

I think the AIM Surpus rep posted somewhere on the XCR forum that they had 5 rifles in transit to them as of a couple days ago, but had not yet posted them for sale on the website. I think he posted a price of 1800. If you act real fast, maybe you can get one of those.

 

[Evil Monkey]

It's a damn shame the XCR doesn't have modular mag wells. It could have used standardized AK magazines. Of course that would've meant more time and money developing such a system, which is probably the reason they didn't.

 

[ny32182]

As long as it took to persuade C Products to get on the ball with the mags, they could have probably done a lower faster...

With the current/new mag (which will work in x39 ARs, x39 ACR w/AR lower, if that ever happens), the ergonomics/muscle memory for operating the rifle are now maintained across every offered chambering. I don't see that as a bad thing, assuming the C products mags function as designed.

 

[Evil Monkey]

the ergonomics/muscle memory for operating the rifle are now maintained across every offered chambering.

Muscle memory and ergonomics are not important for the everyday gun owner. This ain't nothing more but a rifle for the civilian market, for plinking. Robinson Arms isn't going to get any military contracts any time soon.

And I highly doubt a LE agency would be purchasing XCR's for 7.62 soviet to warrant the use of a stanag magwell and cproducts 7.62x39mm mags.

 

[ny32182]

Muscle memory and ergonomics are not important for the everyday gun owner. This ain't nothing more but a rifle for the civilian market, for plinking. Robinson Arms isn't going to get any military contracts any time soon.

On the contrary, the rifle was designed specifically to compete in the SCAR trial and meet that set of requirements.

I'm an everyday gun owner, and ergonomics are important to me.

And I highly doubt a LE agency would be purchasing XCR's for 7.62 soviet to warrant the use of a stanag magwell and cproducts 7.62x39mm mags.

Why would only the police be justified in using an AR style x39 mag?

 

[variablebinary]

Muscle memory and ergonomics are not important for the everyday gun owner

How many carbine training classes have you been to recently? Ergnomics are everything, and important to thousands of shooters

Many want the punch of x39 but dont want to emulate a 50 year old throwback.

Working that charging handle on the Masada with AK47 mags will not be fun, compared to XCR owners who are operating their weapon the same as they normally do. Though, in reality, the C-product mags benefit the entire industry and can be used in any STANAG platform.

One of the biggest problems with x39 conversions has always been mags. C-products fixed that. This is a good thing.

 

[LoadedDrum]

Quote:
the ergonomics/muscle memory for operating the rifle are now maintained across every offered chambering.
Muscle memory and ergonomics are not important for the everyday gun owner. This ain't nothing more but a rifle for the civilian market, for plinking. Robinson Arms isn't going to get any military contracts any time soon.

And I highly doubt a LE agency would be purchasing XCR's for 7.62 soviet to warrant the use of a stanag magwell and cproducts 7.62x39mm mags.

If muscle memory is not important than there is no point in practicing reloads or jam clearing then?

SOCOM decided that taking AK mags was not really that important so they dropped it from the SCAR program. This was after RA delivered the well liked RAV02 which could swap to AK mags. Even now, if SOCOM felt that the ability to use AK mags was that important, they could field MGI Hydras.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Working that charging handle on the Masada with AK47 mags will not be fun, compared to XCR owners who are operating their weapon the same as they normally do.

What about an AK mag in an ACR makes operating the charging handle different?

For that matter, since the C-Products mag is STANAG, couldn't (as someone else already pointed out) ACR (or SCAR) owners just use the same mag the XCR uses in 7.62x39 and have the same operation of the weapon?

 

[rino451]

The whole muscle memory thing is almost a moot point. You'd want AK mags as it makes battlefield pickups an option. I highly doubt that any service banch is going to offer c-products mags and 7.63x39 ammo as standard issue (or optional) to any servicemen. Something that takes native AK mags might fit special ops otoh. The problem then becomes robinson and the rifle itself. Then again as someone said before, that the native mag capability was dropped...

 

[variablebinary]

What about an AK mag in an ACR makes operating the charging handle different?

For that matter, since the C-Products mag is STANAG, couldn't (as someone else already pointed out) ACR (or SCAR) owners just use the same mag the XCR uses in 7.62x39 and have the same operation of the weapon?

Without a BHO working the charging handle is going to be a constant process. A scout position charging handle on the ACR will be as ergonomically wrong as an HK51 and a step backwards from people accustomed to training on an AR15.

This is what you get with combloc mags.

With STANAG you keep the ergos, but keep the x39 punch. No change to ergos, or training. It makes complete sense. No one is looking to turn their ACR, XCR, SCAR or LMT MRP into an AK, but everyone wants access to cheap ammo and harder hitting bullets.

 

[Evil Monkey]

I understand the whole muscle memory/ergonomics situation and how important it is. I'm just trying to point out that there will NOT be a 7.62x39mm XCR in an operator's/SF's/soldier's/Chuck Norris's hands anytime soon.

Considering that it is being marketed primarily towards the civilian population, who will most likely not be using it to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan, it would've been nice if it could take AK mags that are widely available, standardized, and much cheaper than cproducts 7.62x39 mags.

 

[variablebinary]

Considering that it is being marketed primarily towards the civilian population, who will most likely not be using it to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan, it would've been nice if it could take AK mags that are widely available, standardized, and much cheaper than cproducts 7.62x39 mags.

Because that would idiotic, a step backwards and dilute the inherent advantages the XCR has.

Conversions are about gaining access to 7.62x39 ballistics and cheap shooting, not inheriting the most derided feature of the AK platform: ergonomics.

If I wanted an AK47, I would get one. I didn't get an XCR to downgrade it and turn it into a 60 year old firearm with some fancy rails. Makes zero sense

What your suggesting is about as nonsensical as Robinson creating a 6.8 conversion with rock in mags, and no BHO

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Without a BHO working the charging handle is going to be a constant process.

On pretty much any rifle besides the AR, you generally have to cycle the charging handle whether it has an BHO or not. In fact, some places I know teach this as it simplifies manual-of-arms for several weapons. Personally, it doesn't really strike me as a big issue.

I would think the rock & lock would be a bigger issue ergonomically than cycling the charging handle due to a lack of BHO.

 

[LoadedDrum]

Without a BHO working the charging handle is going to be a constant process.
On pretty much any rifle besides the AR, you generally have to cycle the charging handle whether it has an BHO or not. In fact, some places I know teach this as it simplifies manual-of-arms for several weapons. Personally, it doesn't really strike me as a big issue.

I would think the rock & lock would be a bigger issue ergonomically than cycling the charging handle due to a lack of BHO.

The XCR has the best BHO on any production rifle. Nobody I know who owns a XCR uses the charging handle to close the bolt because it is just too slow. Same thing with AR15. Why would any body would design a modern rifle with 1940-1950's egronomics is beyond me.

The whole muscle memory thing is almost a moot point. You'd want AK mags as it makes battlefield pickups an option. I highly doubt that any service banch is going to offer c-products mags and 7.63x39 ammo as standard issue (or optional) to any servicemen. Something that takes native AK mags might fit special ops otoh. The problem then becomes robinson and the rifle itself. Then again as someone said before, that the native mag capability was dropped...

dropped by SOCOM. RA and FN just followed their lead. SOCOM is the only group of people who could really have a need to resupply with indigenous mags and they still didn't think it was worth while. Civie's in the US have no such need.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Civie's in the US have no such need.

No, not unless an Obama-nation admin bans the manufacture of mags over 10 rounds before a nice supply of mags for the RobArm x39 has a chance to be made over the course of the next few years. In that case, civies will have a tremendously huge need. Just pointing out....

 

[variablebinary]

Oh yes..