I can see that there are alot of Ron Paul supporters around here... I'm curious to know what you think of this video clip with Ron Paul in it...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c5_1179338348
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2c5_1179338348
Ron Paul Question...?
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physics
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Not sure I saw any downsides to that. Do you REALLY think that there is nothing about 9/11 that was covered up? He didn't say that the U.S. was an inside job, he merely said that a lot of the time the government covers things up. DO THEY NOT?
The only thing I saw that really interested me was Dr. Paul's eagerness to reach across political lines, and work with *gasp* a Democrat.
The only thing I saw that really interested me was Dr. Paul's eagerness to reach across political lines, and work with *gasp* a Democrat.
Not very good english, but hey, he's likely to be right. Too bad I will never know, not being Director of Intelligence.
physics
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Only because the media is butchering him. If they would merely listen to what he is saying and not put words into his mouth, I think a lot more people would listen.
R127
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Yeah, that's weird. Why would anybody want to investigate 9/11 again? I mean that's an open and shut case. They found the half burned passports of the terrorists in the rubble of the WTC, after all.
As far as Paul still having a chance, his supporters put him at the top of the polls after the debate last night. He definately has a chance, a very good one at that.
As far as Paul still having a chance, his supporters put him at the top of the polls after the debate last night. He definately has a chance, a very good one at that.
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I don't really see anything wrong with it
I am far from a 9/11 truther so this seems like some kind of attempt to discredit him by attaching him to a disgraced loony group. I have typed up a quick transcript for the ease of other forum goers. To me it seems like he is kind of humoring this kid and nowhere does he suggest that it was an inside job.
Forgive any typos, I was typing along to the transcript provided along the video and trying to catch anything missed by it. Anyhow, this is no damning indictment of Paul..if this is the best they can dig up he seems pretty clean. To me it seemed more like the kid was pestering Paul and Paul didn't really pick up on the inside job context he was getting at. Also, Paul seemed to be giving him a sort of noncommittal 'yeah I'll look into that' and as far as I know he never followed up on this. I would be surprised if he did but if anyone has any evidence to the contrary I would like to see it.
As far as taking another look at the 9/11 commission report lots of stuff has come to light since then so there could still be some things to look into, for instance why we ignored so many intelligence warnings and why Giuliani put his Emergency Command Post on the 23rd floor of 7 WTC instead of the Bronx.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/0514200...ni_slams_ex_aide_nationalnews_geoff_earle.htm
I am far from a 9/11 truther so this seems like some kind of attempt to discredit him by attaching him to a disgraced loony group. I have typed up a quick transcript for the ease of other forum goers. To me it seems like he is kind of humoring this kid and nowhere does he suggest that it was an inside job.
(Paul walks into the hall and is approached by Martell)
Martell: Here We go (Hands card to Paul)
Rep. Ron Paul: Okay
Martell: So we're working with the Scholars for 9/11 Truth, I don't know if you've heard of that?
Paul: I've heard of that but I don't know too much about it.
Martell: We're an affiliate organization of scholars...it's for students because...scholars is for college professors or people with an academic affiliation but this is for students and we've heard that you..uh..have questioned the government's official account.
Paul: Well I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there's an area that the government covered up whether it's the Kennedy assassination or whatever
(Cuts to Paul speaking from a podium)
Paul: There's nothing in the constitution, or libertarianism, or the freedom movement, or any of these views...and you ask them as an American, "Do you believe in the free enterprise system? To buy and sell goods?"'Sure, I believe in that'.Do you think we should have the government in our bedrooms and spying on us and do you think we should have the right of Habeas Corpus? And do you think the government should be able to search our papers and our homes with search warrants? Of course they say, 'No, we don't want that' And do you think we should be the policemen of the world? Do you think we should be in nation building? Running around the world and doing these thinkgs? And they say 'No.' So they answer correctly to all of this. Then the problem is they say, 'Yeah, except for this and except for this and except for this' And alot of people you know and on occasion, well I don't know if you've noticed, on occasion I vote by myself. (Laughter, Applause)
(After Speech by Paul)
Martell: So I just wanted to say, you know, we've talked to Dennis Kucinich and He's willing to, you know, investigate it. He would advocate for a new investigation.
Paul: Into 9/11?
Martell: Yeah. Into 9/11....I mean if it was Dennis Kucinich and you, obviously there'd be congressional support...you know what I mean? So you wouldn't be the only one.
Paul: It'd be bi-partisan too. And I've workd with Dennis a lot on a lot of these issues.
Martell: So I mean, would you advocate for a new investigation into 9/11?
Paul: Yes, I think we have to look at the details of it you know the investigation was an investigation in which there we government cover-ups. There culd be a better investigation because there's a split in government. So I would certainly consider that and think it would be worth while. IF you do the same thing over and over again you're just spinning your wheels. But I would certainly work with Dennis, so I'll talk to Denns and he's in a position now with the party majority so he might have a better chance with it.
Martell: Yeah, he has subpoena power and everthing so.
Paul: An we'd have a better chance of getting a new investigation, but uh.. too often investigations on almost any issue is usually a cover-up.
Martell: Yeah, and I know that he is reall serious about this because I know that his office is already investigating certain aspects of 9/11..he's having his guys look into it so...
Paul: I'll talk to him about it.
Martell: That'd be great, thank you. Thank you very much.
Paul: Sure thing
Martell: Thanks Ron Paul
Martell: Here We go (Hands card to Paul)
Rep. Ron Paul: Okay
Martell: So we're working with the Scholars for 9/11 Truth, I don't know if you've heard of that?
Paul: I've heard of that but I don't know too much about it.
Martell: We're an affiliate organization of scholars...it's for students because...scholars is for college professors or people with an academic affiliation but this is for students and we've heard that you..uh..have questioned the government's official account.
Paul: Well I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there's an area that the government covered up whether it's the Kennedy assassination or whatever
(Cuts to Paul speaking from a podium)
Paul: There's nothing in the constitution, or libertarianism, or the freedom movement, or any of these views...and you ask them as an American, "Do you believe in the free enterprise system? To buy and sell goods?"'Sure, I believe in that'.Do you think we should have the government in our bedrooms and spying on us and do you think we should have the right of Habeas Corpus? And do you think the government should be able to search our papers and our homes with search warrants? Of course they say, 'No, we don't want that' And do you think we should be the policemen of the world? Do you think we should be in nation building? Running around the world and doing these thinkgs? And they say 'No.' So they answer correctly to all of this. Then the problem is they say, 'Yeah, except for this and except for this and except for this' And alot of people you know and on occasion, well I don't know if you've noticed, on occasion I vote by myself. (Laughter, Applause)
(After Speech by Paul)
Martell: So I just wanted to say, you know, we've talked to Dennis Kucinich and He's willing to, you know, investigate it. He would advocate for a new investigation.
Paul: Into 9/11?
Martell: Yeah. Into 9/11....I mean if it was Dennis Kucinich and you, obviously there'd be congressional support...you know what I mean? So you wouldn't be the only one.
Paul: It'd be bi-partisan too. And I've workd with Dennis a lot on a lot of these issues.
Martell: So I mean, would you advocate for a new investigation into 9/11?
Paul: Yes, I think we have to look at the details of it you know the investigation was an investigation in which there we government cover-ups. There culd be a better investigation because there's a split in government. So I would certainly consider that and think it would be worth while. IF you do the same thing over and over again you're just spinning your wheels. But I would certainly work with Dennis, so I'll talk to Denns and he's in a position now with the party majority so he might have a better chance with it.
Martell: Yeah, he has subpoena power and everthing so.
Paul: An we'd have a better chance of getting a new investigation, but uh.. too often investigations on almost any issue is usually a cover-up.
Martell: Yeah, and I know that he is reall serious about this because I know that his office is already investigating certain aspects of 9/11..he's having his guys look into it so...
Paul: I'll talk to him about it.
Martell: That'd be great, thank you. Thank you very much.
Paul: Sure thing
Martell: Thanks Ron Paul
Forgive any typos, I was typing along to the transcript provided along the video and trying to catch anything missed by it. Anyhow, this is no damning indictment of Paul..if this is the best they can dig up he seems pretty clean. To me it seemed more like the kid was pestering Paul and Paul didn't really pick up on the inside job context he was getting at. Also, Paul seemed to be giving him a sort of noncommittal 'yeah I'll look into that' and as far as I know he never followed up on this. I would be surprised if he did but if anyone has any evidence to the contrary I would like to see it.
As far as taking another look at the 9/11 commission report lots of stuff has come to light since then so there could still be some things to look into, for instance why we ignored so many intelligence warnings and why Giuliani put his Emergency Command Post on the 23rd floor of 7 WTC instead of the Bronx.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/0514200...ni_slams_ex_aide_nationalnews_geoff_earle.htm
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Ron didn't say anything last night that hurt him. If you didn't watch it just watch the commentary and sensationalism (Hannity, Rudy, etc.) then yeah, what an oaf. The way they try to twist his words is painfully obvious and likewise absurd.
Ron P: Bombing and occupying other nations has repercussions.
Other idiots: So! You hate America!
Puh-lease. (This handicam crusade by the "truthers" is a non-issue.)
Ron P: Bombing and occupying other nations has repercussions.
Other idiots: So! You hate America!
Puh-lease. (This handicam crusade by the "truthers" is a non-issue.)
He really didn't have a chance before and he doesn't have a chance in hell right now. How he phrased his view was reckless ... and Rudy, an individual who is quick and frank, jumped on it. You could see his words created a lot of tension, by the look on the other candidate's faces, but Rudy capitalised on it.
Yes, it is true our actions in the Middle-east have contributed to terrorism. But you can not present that fact as an excuse to terrorism. Targeting men and children is wrong no matter what, and bringing up that fact makes it seem like you have apathy for radicals.
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Not a snowballs chance that he could ever be president!
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Another poster made an excellent point today: if discussing the motives behind 9/11 is "blaming America," then every homicide detective in the world "blames the victim." After all, they spend an awful lot of time trying to find out the killer's motive...
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