Rossi Brawler: A single shot .410/.45 has been announced

[Zahn]

To add to what someguy said in a prior post, unlike the Ruger Judge, the Rossi Brawler doesn't have a 3 inch chamber. It has - as near as I can tell - a SAAMI spec chamber for the .45 Colt. I measured it at roughly 1.6" which is max COAL for the .45 Colt. There is no 'jump' for the bullet as it leaves the brass and before it engages the rifling in the barrel. The three inch .410 shell will be in both the chamber and in the first 1.4 inches of the rifling in the barrel.

Accuracy is very good in the Brawler.

 

[Slappy White]

Oops. My mistake

 

[TTv2]

To add to what someguy said in a prior post, unlike the Ruger Judge, the Rossi Brawler doesn't have a 3 inch chamber. It has - as near as I can tell - a SAAMI spec chamber for the .45 Colt. I measured it at roughly 1.6" which is max COAL for the .45 Colt. There is no 'jump' for the bullet as it leaves the brass and before it engages the rifling in the barrel. The three inch .410 shell will be in both the chamber and in the first 1.4 inches of the rifling in the barrel.

Accuracy is very good in the Brawler.

I didn't think that was possible. One derringer I had was a 3 inch .410 chamber with about half and inch of very, VERY shallow rifling, so I was thinking the Brawler would be much the same, but with more rifling.

Curious, does anyone know what Thompson Center did with their Contenders and Encores in .45/ 410?

 

[someguy2800]

I didn't think that was possible. One derringer I had was a 3 inch .410 chamber with about half and inch of very, VERY shallow rifling, so I was thinking the Brawler would be much the same, but with more rifling.

Curious, does anyone know what Thompson Center did with their Contenders and Encores in .45/ 410?

The TC that I had was like a taurus judge cylinder. It was the diameter of a 45 colt case for the first inch and a quarter, then stepped down to like .465" the rest of the way. Then it had a forcing cone style throat leading into the rifling. Interesting idea to just stick the shell right into the rifling. I didn't realize a 410 shell would even fit down a .452" rifled bore.

 

[someguy2800]

I was curious about the shells fitting down the rifling so I went and measured. A 410 shell isn’t even close to fitting down a rifled 45 barrel, so Rossi either invented tapered rifling or the chamber must go the full length of the 410 shell. Bore diameter of a 45 colt as specified by sammi is .442” bore, .450” groove.

 

[Slappy White]

I was curious about the shells fitting down the rifling so I went and measured. A 410 shell isn’t even close to fitting down a rifled 45 barrel, so Rossi either invented tapered rifling or the chamber must go the full length of the 410 shell. Bore diameter of a 45 colt as specified by sammi is .442” bore, .450” groove.


It looks like the chamber length is approx 4-7/8".

 

[someguy2800]

Yep, that looks just like a Taurus judge cylinder and the TC barrel I had

 

[chicharrones]

Thanks for the pics, @Slappy White . Pretty nifty.

Looks like the first chamber step is sized for .45 Colt brass, then the "second" chamber acts like a throat in a revolver cylinder for .45 Colt bullets. Then the rifling starts after the throat.

I always thought the .410/.45 revolver cylinders were sized straight through for .410 until I saw a video on a Governor the other day.

 

[TTv2]

The first step is there to keep any .454 or .460 cases from being chambered.

Hollow base .45 bullets would benefit a lot from being shot in this.

 

[ThomasT]

Interesting thread. My bud has one of the .410/45 Colt single shot pistols I can't remember the name of but I have shot it and wasn't impressed enough to buy my own copy. I do like .410s and own 3 of them. Ammo is no problem because I made my own 410 reloading kit. I don't reuse the star crimp. That is trimmed of an I roll crimp the finished shell.

I also bought a Lee .395 ball mold and cast balls for a 3 ball load from a 2.5" shell. They shoot great and stay right together out to 25 yards or so. In an emergency I wouldn't have a problem letting loose on a deer out to 30 yards or less. These balls weigh 93grs each and should be getting over 1100fps. Thats well above any pocket 380 so would do for a hunting round in a pinch.

I really liked the Tuffy 410. Next time I go to Academy I will see if they have any in stock. They used to sell a lot of those years ago. I have an H&R Handi in 20ga with a matt nickle finish that came with the short "Snake Charmer" type stock that held 3 spare rounds. It had an 11" pull and was useless to me. So I ordered a proper stock from NEF and love the gun. Its probably my favorite shotgun. A 21st century Canoe Gun. These were also offered in 410 and a truly regret not getting one.

I have two H&R 410 shotguns with wood stocks in full choke. And a Mossberg bolt action that has the screw ON choke tubes. If you remove the choke tubes its a cylinder bore gun. Pretty cool. I have well over 500 rounds of 410 ammo loaded now. To me a 410 is great survival gun. The pistol the OP started this thread about has my attention somewhat. But like a lot of the rest of you I would really like a different caliber choice. A 38 Special would spark my interest. Maybe a 357 if the gun would handle it and a 22 mag just as soon as they could get them on the market.

 

[halfmoonclip]

Got a Governor some years ago as a 'snake' gun down at camp. I load .45 Colt, so that part wasn't an issue.
But I never tried any; went straight to .410s, and patterned them at 10 feet.
The rifling was spinning the shot charge, and the pattern was a donut, with no hits in the middle.
Made the Governor go away quickly.
Moon

 

[W.E.G.]

I'd rather have this:



Shotgun to pistol-caliber insert adapters at https://www.gunadapters.com/

 

[W.E.G.]

Midland has kind of fallen off the radar for folding-shotguns.

Charles Daly offers a bunch currently.

 

[TTv2]

Midland had a great idea with the spare rifle barrels, but they sold people on something they couldn't deliver or knew people wouldn't want to pay a high price for.

I was close to buying one of their shotguns years ago thinking the rifle barrels were coming. Glad I never did.

 

[someguy2800]

I had forgotten why nobody makes a smooth bore choked 410 pistol. I remembered yesterday while I was thinking on ways to make one. The reason is the NFA. The NFA classifies a smooth barrel handgun as an "Any Other Weapon" and requires a $200 tax stamp to make, purchase, or transfer. What someone should really do is make something like this brawler or a Taurus judge but give it very long rifling twist, like 1:200" or something like that so it would actually pattern birdshot worth a darn, but would still be rifled so it would skirt the NFA. You would sacrifice the ability to stabilize 45 colt, but you would drastically improve the patterning with 410 shells.

 

[Oninotaki]

Gentlemen I have found the .410 slug the Rossi Brawler is designed for. Behold the Phoenix Rising .410 185gr, 190gr, and 200gr .410 slugs.

.410 Gauge Ammunition

What you save in cost of the firearm you make up for in cost of the slugs.

How do they perform you say? Well they pass clean through a block of ballistics gel proving that they are ballistic perfection. Ignore the brass failing issues the chap in the videos below has, the Rossi Brawler will have none of that. Truly the perfect modern dueling pistol arrangement has been found.

 

[Zahn]

Gentlemen I have found the .410 slug the Rossi Brawler is designed for. Behold the Phoenix Rising .410 185gr, 190gr, and 200gr .410 slugs.

Except the Brawler owners manual specifically says no slugs.

 

[Slappy White]

Except the Brawler owners manual specifically says no slugs.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

[someguy2800]

Except the Brawler owners manual specifically says no slugs.

Not a problem, I'm not going to read the manual

 

[Beck]

With Thomspon Center no longer making single shot pistols anymore and CVA's being spotty in availability, Rossi has decided to jump into the market. I'm not particularly interested in the .410, but I hope Rossi is planning more calibers as I have been wanting a single shot .327 and .454 for years.

Pretty cool IMHO !

 

[Slappy White]

Just saw this on the Rossi website if anyone is interested in this for the brawler

 

[buck460XVR]

My LGS has one for sale......$210. Good price, but I see little to no use for the gun myself. Others are free to feel differently. Too big and awkward for SD/HD. Thought it might be good down at the cabin for varmints......but not really adequate for that. Cool name tho.......