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Rotating CC guns: What's the deal?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by WrongHanded, Sep 24, 2019.

  1. StrawHat

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    This is very much how I instructed the Patrol Officers during my tenure as a Range Officer. One firearm, one holster, one location. A situation goes bad and you automatically reach for your sidearm. Keep changing things around, that can get painful. Even Ayoob taught that.

    As for the man with one gun, I am old enough to remember when most had one handgun and a shotgun and maybe a rifle. And they were very proficient with them.

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  2. film495

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    When I do dry fire practice, all 4 pistols will get taken through a training routine. When I go to the range, all 4 go to the range and go through live fire practice. When I do maintenance, each of them gets the same basic treatment and inspection time. There isn't a main gun.
     
  3. jar

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    I first heard about the old muscle memory issue back in the days when semi-automatics were the exception rather than the norm and the revolver was king. The point in contention was twofold; remembering whether you pulled or pushed to open the cylinder and remembering which hole to use if you had time to load just one round. I never really had to much of a problem with those and so carried both Colts and Smiths. When I changed though I did spend awhile practicing opening the cylinder and inserting just one dummy round to make sure it was under the hammer when it fell.

    It was a different time I will admit and I honestly never expected to ever need to draw against another human; just as now I was not military or law enforcement, was not doing traffic stops or serving warrants or making arrests. I'm still not doing any of those things. I still expect that should I use my gun for defense it will be against a poisonous snake or threatening animal. There is a greater possibility than before of it being against a human but that still remains the least likely threat.

    Today there is a different set of variations; safety up, safety down, lever hinged forward, lever hinged rearward, grip safety... as well as the variations that were part of the historical development of the semi-automatic. Grip safety that locks in the fire position until some separate motion unlocks it, grip safeties as well as a frame/slide safety, safety at upper rear left side, safety on left in front of grip, cross bolt safety, combination safety with one action for "Safe" and a different action for "Fire"...

    Then there are the variations on magazine releases; heel release push to rear, heel release push to front, magazine release in lower front grip strap, button magazine release in front of grip at top left side, button of left lower rear grip, pull down ambidextrous releases in front of grip ...

    And all the variations for field striping and take-down.

    None of the variations though are extremely complex and if a user spends just a small period becoming familiar with any one of the many possibilities they can likely master it. Just as I can walk and run and jump whether wearing Cowboy boots or Huarache sandals or Oxford shoes or Wingtips or Docksiders; I can operate any of my various revolvers and semi-automatics.
     
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  4. 460Shooter

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    If I brought all my handguns to the range every time, or dry fired them all every time, and then cleaned them all each time...……………… well I don't think I'd make it to work much. :)
     
  5. Varminterror

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    ...misguided.

    I personally do “vary my carry.” Never with a mind for rotation for the sake of rotation, but only based on my risk profile and the appropriate attire for a given situation. In a formal office setting, I might get away with my G19 under my sport jacket, although some folks have noted it odd that I don’t remove my jacket throughout a day. In other situations, keeping my LCP at hand while remaining discrete can be a challenge. Alternatively, when cutting firewood on private property, an SP101 on my belt is secure, durable, and an obvious deterrent to trespassers with ill intent.

    I’ve said in my handgun & concealed carry classes for years, “I prefer as little between “oh ****,” and “bang” as possible.” Such my carry pieces are all without manual safeties, double action or striker fired (or heavy positive inclination single action Sears, in the case of the LCP II). I’ve carried 1911’s, P238’s, and single action revolvers, but I simply don’t any longer - for that reason.
     
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  6. bassjam

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    My carry "rotation" consists of two guns. An LCP for pocket carry, and a MK9 for when I can carry IWB.

    I'll admit I used to randomly rotate a j-frame in and out for pocket carry, but that's because I shot my 442 much better than my old LCP, but I often needed something more discrete than the revolver. My new LCP is just as, if not more accurate than my 442 so I only pocket carry it now.
     
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    It's fortunately been many years since I've been in any kind of confrontation. I'm one of the volunteers at our church that works armed security. Last Saturday we went to a training class offered by formed FBI and Secret Service agents focusing on church security. They set up very realistic scenarios which we participated in, including active shooter scenarios. If, like me you haven't been in a confrontation for a while it's easy to forget about how chaotic things can be, and for me keeping things as simple and consistent as possible works. I pocket carry a P365XL or P365 if my pockets aren't deep enough to conceal the XL. I carry my spare magazines in my other front pocket. I hope to never be in another confrontation, but if I am having my gun and spare magazines in the same place works for me.
     
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  8. film495

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    my problem is I don't get to the range often enough.
     
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  9. GBExpat

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    You are not alone.

    Heck, my range is in my backyard ... and I am retired ... and I have a surfeit of both firearms & ammunition ... and *I* do not "get to the range" as often as I'd like/should. <sigh> :)
     
  10. SharpDog

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    Sure it's a little dangerous, but you can do it with practice :D

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  11. BlueHeelerFl

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    I normally carry a 9mm Shield and a Beretta Pico depending on clothing and situation. Once in a while I'll take my Taurus 445 Ti in 44 spl, but thats rare.

    Although small, I like that I can shoot one handed both of my main carry guns. Even with my off hand I'm comfortable handling them, which is good in a tight spot like a car.

    Thats something I'm not sure I could do with a larger double stack pistol with my hand size
     
  12. 460Shooter

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    My great dream is to some day have a private range in my yard that I too do not spend enough time on.
     
  13. Texasgrillchef

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    would that be a bad thing other then not being able to pay your bills?
     
  14. U.S.SFC_RET

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    I have a rotation of pistols specifically for conceal carry, all Sigs 365,938,238. All are carried and treated differently, primarily with whatever I am wearing. IWB,OWB, pocket or appendix. I understand the importance of training with the firearm that you use and I consider myself sufficiently trained.
     
  15. Browning

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    I have a few in the carry rotation ... (although the past several months it’s been all CZ) ...
    - Glock 23
    - CZ P10C
    - Glock 26
    - Walther PPS M1

    They all operate basically the same way. Except the reloads on the Walther, but then that’s only pistol I’ve carried in a pocket pistol and after drawing and firing from that mode the reloads are pretty automatic now.

    If they all operate the same way I don’t think it’s that big a deal. Dramatically different? Probably not a good idea.
     
  16. Good Ol' Boy

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    I have a EDC for each of the 365 days of the year.














    It's a G26 with 12rd mag.
     
  17. Trunk Monkey

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    I never thought I would say this but I actually carry my glock 26 far more frequently than I do my Glock 19. Part of that is circumstantial because I work in an NPE but I still only find myself carrying the 19 on my days off.
     
  18. luzyfuerza

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    Exactly my situation, except that I'm still building my ranges. I just took delivery of a tractor, though, so work on the rifle backstop can start. The pistol range is mostly functional now, however, so there's no real excuse.
     
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  19. GEM

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    That's a good summary
     
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  20. bannockburn

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    I have a three gun rotation with two of the guns being the same except for their weight : a S&W Model 649 and a Model 638. Kind of a warm weather/cooler weather sort of thing. The third gun is a semi-auto, a Kahr CM9, which I like because it's a DAO gun with a trigger that's as smooth as the two revolvers I carry.

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  21. Trunk Monkey

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    I used to think rotating carry guns was stupid and that no one who was serious about self defense would do it. Then I read a thread similar to this one on another forum that Massad Ayoob was participating in. As Old Dog mentioned Massad Ayoob frequently changes out his handguns but he always had a reason for doing so.

    There are also other people who participate in this forum who rotate through more guns in a week than I own. Mind you the people I'm talking about carried guns professionally for decades.

    My point is that even if I don't rotate my carry gun I'm not about to say you're stupid if you do. I may question the wisdom of randomly choosing a gun based on a whim but it has zero affect on me so go ahead
     
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  22. GEM

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    Let's stay on topic. Off topic deleted.
     
  23. Apuesto

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    I choose a carry gun based on the gender I decide to be for the day ... :rofl:
     
  24. Texasgrillchef

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    not for sure how or why that makes a diff, but whatever floats yer boat and makes ya happy!
     
  25. Jeb Stuart

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    I hear ya. Love the CM9, the Nano, CW380, Pico, LCR, 638. And I love the smooth DAO on the pistols. And, I train often. Not worried about how well I will shoot one. I know these guns like my own hand.
     
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