Routine Traffic Stop CCW Notification

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"If you don't tell them, how would they ever know?"

I believe it usually pops up when the run your d/l or tag#.

Myself, I have nothing to hide, and I don't believe in that "us vs. them" mentality. I would hand it to the LEO with my license. But I haven't been stopped in years.
 
I am in Michigan where we must inform if carrying, but that is not the question.

If I were in another state, and did not know what information the officer would or could pull up on the computer, I would inform him whether I was carrying or not. The last thing I want to deal with is an officer who might feel that I was withholding information potentially detrimental to his well being.
 
I dont carry , but my buddy who does , always tells it straight up , he has a carry permit and there is a weapon in the car , he has no problem with the police and in fact they never want to see it , most times they just hand back the licence and say have a nice day sir .

like has been said already if your not doing anything wrong then it acts as a block to further harrasment , if youve got one you must be a good guy . :D
 
I got pulled over by the same cop in the same place twice in 2 months. The first time went smooth he gave me a warning & I left second time I got hasseled got a warning & left. Only difference between the two stops? second time he asked if I had a weapon.

If they don't ask they don't need to know
 
The police have no need to know if I'm armed or not while driving. If they ask, I'll adhere to the law and inform them but I don't volunteer anything to the cops.

Talking to the police never helps anyone.
 
I dont carry , but my buddy who does , always tells it straight up , he has a carry permit and there is a weapon in the car , he has no problem with the police and in fact they never want to see it , most times they just hand back the licence and say have a nice day sir .

he should stop speeding and he would not have to worry about it so much.
 
I say to them, "out of respect for you and your position, I would like to inform you that I am a licenced firearm carrier and I have one in my pocket now, what would you like me to do?"

That may have assisted in getting a warning instead of the speeding ticket for 10 MPH over the limit.
 
Using Good Sense

Remember - regardless of the law in your state, when a LEO makes a traffic stop, Officer Safety is the Number One Concern of the officer making the stop. Everything else is second, including the reason for the stop. If you follow the ideas stated below, safety for BOTH you and the officer is more likely.

Here's what I do.

1. When in the vehicle, I put my driver's license, registration, insurance papers, Military ID, and CCW permit in the visor pocket above me. That way if stopped, I never have to 'reach' in the area of my back pocket or sidearm in order to retrieve them.

2. Lower all the windows in the vehicle so the officer has an unrestricted view of any potential threats.

3. Keep your hands ON the steering wheel at 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock. I tell the officer that my license, registration, insurance and CCW permit are above my head in the sun visor and that my sidearm (I never refer to it as a 'gun') is on my right hip. I ask the officer how they want to handle it.

Because I give the officer a friendly, cooperative attitude, as well as clear responses and refer to my sidearm in the same way the language police do (rather than calling it a 'weapon' or even a 'g..g...g...g...GUN'), the officer's concern about their own safety is reduced.

Moreover, respectful phrases like "Yes Sir" or "Yes Ma'am" taught to me when I was growing up by my parents & aunts & uncles seem to be appropriate - and once again, it helps the officer feel professional, and 'in charge' of the stop and creates a mutually respectful atmosphere - thus reducing their concern about their own safety.

Even in those states where notification of your permit holder status is NOT required, it just makes Good Sense to do so. In my three experiences in the most recent ten years of driving, once the officer knew that I was a CCW permit holder they visibly relaxed. They did not ask for my sidearm but merely asked me to keep my hands where they could seem them. In fact knowing that I was a 'certified good guy' my virtue of the required background check, our discussion eventually turned away from speeding to other topics like IDPA, USPSA, comparison of various sidearms etc. In all three cases, I got a cautionary warning rather than a citation and was treated very professionally and sent on my way.
 
CAPTAIN MIKE said:
Remember - regardless of the law in your state, when a LEO makes a traffic stop, Officer Safety is the Number One Concern.

For him, not for me. MY safety is paramount as far as I'm concerned.


-T.
 
I agree 100%, Captain Mike. They're not "the enemy", and if you treat them as though they are, you can expect them to treat you the same way.

I can't believe how paranoid, secretive and adversarial some normally honest, upstanding gun owners get when "The Man" is mentioned. Sure, there's some bad apples, but the majority are good people just doing a job and hoping to get home safely.

I have no problem letting them know that I'm legally armed for self-defense, but pose no threat to them. In fact, they could count on me to line up beside them if necessary.
 
Thank You

Thanks RonDog. I agree. 99.9% of the law enforcement officers out there are well-trained and dedicated professionals. If they know we CCW permit holders are in their presence, they typically treat us respectfully and with professional courtesy.

As a general rule, if a cop is dealing with a polite, friendly and non-threatening CCW permit holder, they will definitely cut you a break if you just give them a chance.

We are Goodwill Ambassadors for 2nd Amendment. We can use all the help we can get - and having law enforcement officers think positively of us only helps things get better. Thanks again for your positive attitude.
 
Hey, everybody's concerned about protecting their butt from the po-po, this is just MY attitude on how to do it. Only makes sense to me.
 
Well once again someone asks a question and I see they don’t bother to at least put the state they live in their profile by their question (I ain’t wasting my time looking deeper into their info in order to try to help).
Folks…you might get more responses if you at least give us a little info to go on?

This response is not really for the OP since I don’t know what state he lives in, which may make a difference in the advice he gets…
As others have no doubt stated by now, in VA if he runs your tags he knows you have a CHP so why not extend the courtesy of handing him your permit? There’s a good chance he may be a bit ill if he knows you have a permit and haven’t told him.

Then there’s the fact that I spend a bit of time in NC, which requires notification, (with occasional forays into WV/TN) so rather than try to keep up with every state law (and it may well have changed without you knowing about it) I just hand the officer my CHP along with my DL.
AFA not saying anything to him…I don’t! I just hand him the two documents if he asks for my DL and let him take it from there.

BTW…probably not a good idea to start out with “I’ve got a gun permit” etc as all the officer may hear is “I’ve got a gun” and things may well go downhill (for you) after that (It HAS happened in VA)!

At’s one reason I just keep my mouth shut when I hand him my two documents and follow his lead.
 
ike has been said already if your not doing anything wrong then it acts as a block to further harrasment , if youve got one you must be a good guy .
Not only is that NOT true, it's demonstrably and drastically UNtrue. Pop on over to opencarry.org. There was a guy from NC in Fairfax County, VA who announced when he didn't need to. They falsely arrested him on a variety of charges (not only wasn't he guilty, but the things he was arrested for weren't CRIMES) and took his gun. If he'd said nothing, AT MOST he'd have gotten a ticket for running a traffic light, and he said he didn't do THAT.

OBEY THE LAW, PERIOD. If the police won't return the favor, bring out the lawsuit hammer and start swinging. Link:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum54/12577.html
 
IF you tell, the easiest way to do so it to hand over your permit along with your DL and then keep your hands on the wheel and state where the gun is located. Something like, "here you go officer, I have my gun in the small of my back in a holster, and if it's ok with you I will just sit right here with my hands in a death grip on the steering wheel until you say I can leave." In all reality do what is required legally, or what you feel is justified in the instance and you should be good to go. The last thing that you want is to be asked out of the car and have cold steel hanging in the wind because your shirt rode up a little and NOW you have to explain yourself. And BTW, thanks for the vote of encouragement. "This isn't bad-mouthing LEO's since many of them are great guys." . Point taken.
 
They're not "the enemy", and if you treat them as though they are, you can expect them to treat you the same way.

Some of them ARE the enemy. In fact, some of them are just criminals. See the Fairfax County incident. What you suggest, in fact worked exactly the OPPOSITE of how you say it's supposed to.

OBEY THE LAW, nothing more, nothing less.
 
I hand over the permit with the DL or I inform if open carrying. So far in VA that has netted me one dumb county cop who was nice albeit clueless about his safety as he wanted me to the rear of the truck while he reached in the cab to retrieve firearm, all the while me looking at his back thinking "Gee, no body armor at that armpit or lower back he's got turned to me for 30 seconds, hmm, he didn't search me, good thing I'm not up to no good. Stupid young cop. Other encounters with VA State Police were very polite, two WV encounters netted me a warning for 14 over and a 19 over written as 9 over with thanks given both times for my informing them I was carrying. Northern Va and other unfriendly places I just don't speed, it's easier.
 
Does anyone know if Florida is a 'shall inform' state ?

It's not, there is no requirement to state "I have a gun" in Florida.

www.handgunlaw.us

IMO it's silly to have to say, if you ARE a bad guy you'll lie and there isn't a database for them to check...so if you are a GOOD guy you hvae to jump through hoops for absolutely no reason.
 
I was pulled over twice by State Troopers in FAAAARRRR West Texas vacationing with the family in and around Fort Davis several weeks ago, both times for no front plate on the car (I know, illegal in Texas, but I didn't want holes in the front of the car...). I was legally carrying both times with a 642 in the front cargo pocket of my shorts. In Texas, you must notify the LEO if you are carrying by presenting your CHL permit. I did so, along with my driver's license, and just let him initiate the conversation.

Both were very courteous. The first officer saw my 10 and 12 yr olds in the back seat, handed my CHL permit back, and asked if I had my "friend" with me (he told me later that it wasn't my kids' business if I legally carried unless I chose to tell them, and he didn't want to "spill the beans" so to speak). I answered in the affirmative, and he thanked me and sent me on my way with a warning.

The second officer asked if I was armed, to which I replied "always". He just smiled, thanked me for pulling over at a safe spot on a curvy mountain road and dropping all the windows, and sent me on my way with a warning.

I asked the second Trooper why the stops for the front plates. He said they were working a special task force in that part of the state, pulling cars over for front plates, failure to signal, taillight issues, etc., because I was on a major pipeline for guns heading south, and drugs/illegals heading north. I chose not to get into a debate on the merits of the task force, and just headed on down the road.

Many people here in Texas suggest it's always better to provide the CHL license to the LEO, even if you are not carrying, and simply state you are not presently armed. They'll find out when they run the license, and it just prevents questions when they return to your car.

cheers!
 
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