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Trooper Prevents Murder in Wakulla County

On June 23, 2002, a trooper’s "routine" traffic stop led to the discovery of a victim--bound and bleeding in the back seat of the driver’s car--and the arrest of two suspects. Trooper Charles Creel, Troop H, Crawfordville, stopped a female driver going 75 mph in a 55 mph zone three miles east of Newport. Creel knew something was wrong when the woman he stopped for speeding stepped out of her car. Creel could see she was smeared with blood. At first, she told him that she and her husband, a passenger in the car, had been cleaning fish. Then she claimed they had just had a domestic fight. That’s when Trooper Creel got suspicious.

Trooper Creel and a Wakulla County Sheriff’s deputy, who had been called for backup, checked the back seat of the car. Lying in the seat, they found an elderly man partially strangled and bleeding from a gash in his throat. The suspects, Kathleen and Glen King, were apparently on their way to dispose of the body of the 71-year old man they had allegedly just robbed and beaten.

After the traffic stop, Glen King, a convicted felon, refused to talk to investigators. However, his wife, who also has a lengthy criminal record, told deputies that she knew the victim and that she and her husband had planned the robbery for some time. They had convinced the older man to drive them around Wakulla County to help them find a place to relocate their camper. After robbing and beating the man, her husband cut his throat. Deputies found a roll of cash in the woman’s purse.

The elderly victim, who is recovering, was still in serious, but stable condition several days later at Tallahassee Memorial Hospital. The two suspects, being held in the Wakulla County Jail, are each charged with attempted murder, kidnapping, robbery, and auto theft.

Trooper Creel is a 21-year veteran of the Florida Highway Patrol.
 
Why do perps always speed when in the commission of a crime? That has to be the stupidest thing one could do under the circumstances.

It is rare that the cops are there while the bullet is in the air. They usually get there after the fact. This old guy is very lucky to be alive. At his age, the perps would have been far better off to take a life insurance policy out on him and wait for nature to run its course.
 
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I am firmly convinced that 90% of the folks caught by law enforcement are the really dumb and careless folks. As jimpeel queried, why do the bad guys speed while committing a crime nobody knows about? For that matter, why don't the have inspections and tags that are current, use turn signals, have all of the lights on their cars working, and wear seat belts?

I mean no disrespect to LEOs here. Part of the reason 90% of the folks they catch are the dumb ones is probably because about that many are either dumb, careless, or so inexperienced so as to make bad mistakes. You should not rob places where everyone knows you. If you don't conceal your identity, there is a good chance the security cameras will record your face quite nicely. Try not to commit overt crimes directly in front of cops, etc.

A few years ago, a guy robbed a bank or S&L in Fort Worth and on exiting the bank was surprised to see several cops waiting for him. He never heard sirens or cars coming to a screecing halt out front. Even more surprising was the number of cops and lack of cop cars. The bank or S&L was across the street from a police sub station. The alarm got punched and most of the cops that responded simply jogged across the street. The robber was walked to jail. So here is where you make the mental note NOT to pick robbery locations across from police stations.

There was a big exception to managing to catch folks who were not making stupid mistakes. Several years ago, a Florida trooper devised a profile for spotting drug traffickers on the highway. The profile was for late model vehicles, usually rentals, with two non-white males, driving at or just below the speed limit, with a radar detector, and heading north. The guy made some incredible busts, but then it was determined by the courts that his profile for stopping people for reasons pertaining to not breaking the law was a violation of their rights. The profile did not justify probable cause. I agree with the ruling, but what a bummer in terms of his cases getting overturned and the bad guys released. Of course, they were not given their drugs back.
 
It sure does seem to me that many of the criminals about are not the best and brightest. I guess that's to be expected -- if they were the best and brightest, they wouldn't be a criminal;)

What I read most often in the police blotter of our little town is about the traffic stops that result in arresting someone on an outstanding warrant. You would think that someone who has a warrant out on them would drive more carefully. But, on the other hand, those smart enough to drive more carefully wouldn't have a warrant out on them...
 
M1911 I agree. There was an article in a local paper about a repeat traffic offender. I don't remember the exact number of violations he racked up in just a couple years but it was mind boggling, a few hundred. An aquantance reading the same paper as me commented, "What a f*cking loser". I laughed at his intensity and asked what did he mean. He pointed out that most of the guys violations were Driving After Revokation of is license. This meant that he was knowingly driving without a license, and yet continued to drive like an idiot and get pulled over, where he was promptly found out, again, that he didn't have license. I guess he had a point!
 
It sure does seem to me that many of the criminals about are not the best and brightest. I guess that's to be expected -- if they were the best and brightest, they wouldn't be a criminal

All those Californians who have not registered their rifles and are currently criminals in the eyes of that state must be real dimwits :rolleyes:

Some criminals are pretty dim...some are smart but psychopathic...and others yet are pretty bright people who know that complying with the law is more dangerous than not complying with it.

In the example of the drug dealers, I am not so sure that I side with the cop who developed the technique for IDing them. The same exact criterea would apply to people who carry illegally for self-protection but abide by the laws otherwise. In short, condoning any breach of Constitutional protections for the undesirables would soon turn into having the same protections unavailable to us.
 
Actually Oleg, being in California alone might give some clue. Seriously, however, are those folks in California dimwits for breaking the law getting caught breaking some other law that somehow ties them back to having unregistered guns? Probably not. Hopefully, they are smart enough not to be driving around breaking traffic laws with their unregistered gun on the front seat in plain view. Then again, there are probably a few who end up doing that.

We have all broken some sort of laws somewhere in our lives. Without a record of some sort and without carrying a load of contraband in my car, if I get caught speeding today, more than likely all I get will be a ticket and a little lecture on why I should not be exceeding the speed limit.

Many some dumb criminals really do multiples of things that get them caught.
 
I think the important point in the earlier post was that those people were stopped for "consicuously not speeding" -- that is, for obeying the law deliberately and thus looking suspicious. That strikes me as perverted.
 
Sarcasm?

NOT AT ALL!

Don't we all believe (I know some of do) that speeding is one of those victimless crimes that police ONLY enforce because it generates revenue?

That it's actually an infringement on Constitutional rights?

That no officer should be allowed to have a donut in one hand and a speed gun in another?

If it means preserving my God-given Constitutional right to blast through a residential area filled with children at 105 miles per hour, then the old man should have gone to his death happily as a martyr to the cause!

Oh, wait.

You're right. I am being sarcastic.
 
"He pointed out that most of the guys violations were Driving After Revokation of is license."

I am not a fan of asset seizure, but I sure would back the seizure of said vehicle if it wasn't stolen. That would stop a lot of DUIs who still cruise around in their or their buddy's car.
 
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