RRA and SBR
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LiquidTension
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Wow, that is really silly. Undoubtedly another tactic to making such fun weapons more expensive and therefore harder to obtain. If the serial number is on file with ATF, why does the receiver need to say anything other than the original manufacturer? What point is served by having your name and location engraved on it?
If you are starting from scratch, buy a receiver with your name already engraved on it. I bought three from Lauer and registered them but haven't put them together yet. It has only been like two years. 
FWIW, It was printed on the side of the mag well in big letters. I don't like the look of it, but since it is the law, I figured this was the easiest way to do it. I needed the receivers and just bought them already engraved.
FWIW, It was printed on the side of the mag well in big letters. I don't like the look of it, but since it is the law, I figured this was the easiest way to do it. I needed the receivers and just bought them already engraved.
LiquidTension
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If it were just $35 that'd be fine, but shipping the receiver adds that much more. I already have an AR and was thinking about registering it as an SBR, but with all the extra steps involved I think I'll make a supressor my first venture into the NFA world. It's cheaper too 
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It's obviously not as profitable to sell SBRs as it is to sell 16" versions.
LiquidTension
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Oh see I was thinking that mailing firearms was one of those expensive overnight deals. Guess that's just for handguns.
But you are shipping a bare receiver.
The receiver is the firearm. But, no one has any idea that it is registered as a short barreled rifle. Obviously a bare AR15 receiver looks the same whether it is eventually mated with a 24" upper, a 7" upper, a stock, or a pistol grip.
I can understand not shipping a registered SBR just in case it is damaged or lost. But, again, they have no way of knowing the receiver is registered or not unless you tell them.
Of course I wouldn't ship USPS anyway, but I was wondering what exactly their logic (or lack of logic) was.
The receiver is the firearm. But, no one has any idea that it is registered as a short barreled rifle. Obviously a bare AR15 receiver looks the same whether it is eventually mated with a 24" upper, a 7" upper, a stock, or a pistol grip.
I can understand not shipping a registered SBR just in case it is damaged or lost. But, again, they have no way of knowing the receiver is registered or not unless you tell them.
Of course I wouldn't ship USPS anyway, but I was wondering what exactly their logic (or lack of logic) was.
Double Naught Spy
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YAHOO! You Always Have Other Options. The first and best is that you don't buy direct from RRA. It may take a bit of work on your part, but find a dealer online and go through them. Chances are that you can find a dealer with the RRA product in stock, at the same price or cheaper, and without the wait that RRA has on their products. Or maybe the price is cheaper and it still has to be ordered or they have it now and the price is the same. At WORST, you come out equal with buying from RRA at MSRP. For example, I saved over $50 going off MSRP going through a dealer for a 24" varmint upper instead of going through RRA.
FPrice
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I like that. I'm going to have to try to remember it.
41 Redhawk
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Yep, that is what the suit determined. Just can't go the other way (rifle to pistol) without the paperwork and paying the money.
Fly320s
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Slightly O.T.
Just a quick plug for the flat rate USPS box. Precision Bullets of Texas uses that box for shipping their lead bullets. I received a 70 pound box of 200 grain .45acp bullets in one of those flat-rate boxes. Gotta love it.
Just a quick plug for the flat rate USPS box. Precision Bullets of Texas uses that box for shipping their lead bullets. I received a 70 pound box of 200 grain .45acp bullets in one of those flat-rate boxes. Gotta love it.
ServiceSoon
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Since I started this thread, and bashed RRA, I felt compeled to update it.
www.midwestgun.com has contracted RRA to build 100 SBR rifles.
Give them a call if interested. The cash price is $1075. I could buy the parts, engrave the individual name/trust name, fill out a form 1, but I think the advantage to having it assembled at RRA is a plus. I don't think if you buy the individual parts and create it you will get a warranty, whereas if you buy it complete you are fully covered?!
www.midwestgun.com has contracted RRA to build 100 SBR rifles.
Give them a call if interested. The cash price is $1075. I could buy the parts, engrave the individual name/trust name, fill out a form 1, but I think the advantage to having it assembled at RRA is a plus. I don't think if you buy the individual parts and create it you will get a warranty, whereas if you buy it complete you are fully covered?!Prince Yamato
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I think the reason a lot of the companies won't sell directly is because they fear customers unwittingly making SBRs, getting busted, and then having those customers suing the parent company saying, "Well, RRA, Bushmaster, etc. didn't tell me about NFA laws". I was at a gun show recently, a gentleman was buying a Kel-Tec SU-16 pistol. The pistol already had the barrel shroud, and he was holding it up with his fist balled under it as if her were contemplating adding a forward vertical grip. I asked him, "so, making an AOW are we?" he replied, "What's an AOW". Long story short, I had to explain that what he was going to make would have landed him in jail for 10 years. I know he didn't buy the gun, which made the vendor angry, but I told the vendor that the buyer, after being proscecuted, probably would have sued the vendor for not telling him that he was creating an NFA weapon. This is like what RRA and Bushmaster would face, but on a larger scale.
Most lawyers would probably advise their clients to turn on the seller as being at fault. I'm pretty sure that the AW companies don't want a high-profile case against them. It would probably show up on natoinal TV and bankrupt the company.
Most lawyers would probably advise their clients to turn on the seller as being at fault. I'm pretty sure that the AW companies don't want a high-profile case against them. It would probably show up on natoinal TV and bankrupt the company.
If your intention is a 10-1/2" or 7" SBR, why not buy the RRA LAR-15 Pistol with a retail of $910, fill out a form 1 and add a butstock for $75 for a 6 position stock. To me this seems like the simplest way to go.
FWIW: I have 2 AR's both build out of RRA parts except for the Lowers which are CMMG inc. Both have been 100% reliable, although they aren't as frankenstiened as some AR builders... Stick to quality parts and you can't go wrong.
FWIW: I have 2 AR's both build out of RRA parts except for the Lowers which are CMMG inc. Both have been 100% reliable, although they aren't as frankenstiened as some AR builders... Stick to quality parts and you can't go wrong.
MachIVshooter
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I think it would be largely dependant on individual cases. For example, if the only firearm you own is an AR pistol and you also have a verticle forward grip that can be attached, it would be fairly easy for them to make the argument that you intended to construct an AOW.
But if that AR pistol is part of a large collection, including one or more rifles that can accept the vertical forward grip, there is really no case for constructive possession. The VFG was meant for one of the long guns.
Same for SBR's. Having a 6 position stock and only an AR pistol is pretty incriminating. Having a 6 position stock, an AR pistol and several AR-15's, perhaps one or two bare recievers w/ kits and uppers awaiting assembly pretty much exonerates you.
On that note, I don't think it would ever be a good idea to have a shorty AR upper along with a lower to which it can mate without having filed for and recieved your SBR stamp.
Glockman17366
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On RRA's page (in their catalogue or website) displaying pistol uppers (both .223 and 9mm, they describe them to be for pistols and SBR's.
You've just got to do it yourself (install the upper and have the engraving done).
I'd e-mailed RRA about the engraving part of building an SBR. They told me the best way to do it and said it wouldn't void the warranty.
When you read the requirements for modifying a rifle to an SBR, I think you'd understand why they don't sell directly to individuals...it's too much paperwork.
You've just got to do it yourself (install the upper and have the engraving done).
I'd e-mailed RRA about the engraving part of building an SBR. They told me the best way to do it and said it wouldn't void the warranty.
When you read the requirements for modifying a rifle to an SBR, I think you'd understand why they don't sell directly to individuals...it's too much paperwork.
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