RRA Elite Commando

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I have the the gun now for a couple weeks but couldn't write a range report for various reasons.
When I got the gun home I was really impressed by the outstanding fit of the slide/frame & the parts, the front strap checkering is nicer than any of the custom guns i've seen. After I was finished drooling on the gun I had to see how the gun looks when disassembled; tool marks in feed ramp, chamber and on top of the frame located in the disconnector hole area. Not what I expected from a $1500 gun. To not think anymore about the toolmarks I went out to shoot it, another surprise; I had about every magazine fired one failure to feed that makes 21 FTF in 150 rounds fired. Dissapointed I went in the house and checked the RRA catalogs description for the Elite Commando which says "TUNED FOR TOTAL RELIABILITY" What a luck - I sold my great working Kimber Gold Combat to get a Jamm-O-Matic Custom gun. Since I didn't wanted to send it back to their shop I brought the gun to my gun smith and he re-throated the chamber (the gap was out of spec, polished the chamber and feed ramp.
When I got home I fired the gun again without any problems. Good - now the gun works (after paying $60 to my smith). I enjoyed the gun for a couple of days and when I cleaned it the next time I've seen the remaining (top of frame) tool marks again. That pissed me of so I called RRA Customer Service and asked them about it and the answer I got was "ummmh...I don't know". That wasn't very satisfying.
Well, I have now fired about 950 rounds thru the gun since I had my smith work on it and zero problems showed up, it is also very accurate; the group on the RRA test target that came with the gun meassured 1.4" @ 50 yards. I am happy with my gun now as long as I don't think about or see the toolmarks. Would I buy another one - NO, I would buy a colt and have it customized by a good gun smith!
On a last note; The RRA is a fine gun when it works but hope not to have to deal with their customer service !
 
After reading this I'm happy I wasn't able to order one - I tried calling their sales people every week for 4 weeks, I'd leave a message "I want to order a gun, please call me back at xxx" and never got a call back. I picked up a Les Baer that has been 100% reliable out of the box.
 
Moderator; Please move this to Handguns:AUTOLOADERS - sorry, I posted it in the wrong section!

rick_reno; Congratulations on the Baer! Nothing else with the name RRA on it will find its way home with me.
 
Would I buy another one - NO, I would buy a colt and have it customized by a good gun smith!
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Really? You sure complained about the Colt here: http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=79729

What a luck - I sold my great working Kimber Gold Combat to get a Jamm-O-Matic Custom gun.
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Why would you sell if the Kimber was working fine?

Check out his thread on 1911forum. RRA asked him to send back and they'll fix, but he said no. And he wouldn't take pics of the toolmarks.
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=79954
 
LittleLarry, concerning the colts; http://www.1911og.org/forum/showthread.php?t=289
about the Kimber; I sold it because I wanted a better quality gun and that was the only way to afford it :banghead:

WHY DOES NOBODY NOTICE THAT I GAVE THEM A CHANCE TO MAKE IT RIGHT, THAT IS WHY I CALLED THEM BUT THIS GUY ON THE PHONE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GUN WITH "UUMMMH....I DON'T KNOW..." AND NO OFFER WAS MADE IN THAT CONVERSATION TO TAKE THE GUN BACK TO FIX IT! I DON"T CARE ABOUT DR.BOB OR WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT PHONE CALL - THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE AND DIDN"T USED IT! AFTER THAT CONVERSATION WITH ROBERT I LOST ALL CONFIDENCE IN RRA; FOR SURE I WON'T SEND MY GUN TO THE "UMMMH...I DON"T KNOW" GUYS.
 
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Let's review:
First you said Kimber's are so great and your Gold Combat was so great.
Then you sold it.

You said Colt's suck, but now you want to get a Colt and send it to a smith.

RRA's suck, but you wouldn't let them fix it.

You then made a comment on how Baer's are so good. I pity the customer service rep at Baer if you ever order one.

THAT IS WHY I CALLED THEM BUT THIS GUY ON THE PHONE ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GUN WITH "UUMMMH....I DON'T KNOW..."
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Then ask to speak with someone else. Geeze, figure it out already. They said they'd fix it, but your wouldn't let them. Bottom line.

I guess the RRA must be ok though since you stake your life on it. Why don't you sell it to someone who can appreciate it?
 
They said they'd fix it, but your wouldn't let them. Bottom line.
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THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE AND DIDN'T USED IT! AFTER THAT CONVERSATION WITH ROBERT I LOST ALL CONFIDENCE IN RRA; FOR SURE I WON'T SEND MY GUN TO THE "UMMMH...I DON"T KNOW" GUYS.
 
You don't want to send a gun back to the "UMMMH...I DON"T KNOW" GUYS", but you'll stake your life on it?

So if you had a problem with your credit card and got that type of response, what would you do? Go b!tch all over the internet I suppose?

Come on Todesengel. If you can afford a $1500 pistol, you can figure out how to talk to the right people.
 
More from Todesengel:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83806&perpage=25&pagenumber=3

Todesengel said:
F!#$ Colt! Colt's are not even worth $300 to me; they are VERY bad fitted. A Rock Island Armory 1911 is better fitted & machined. Colt's might have been good quality guns almost a century ago but not anymore! They really need to do something with themselves - make a good fitted gun with a few extras and NOT over priced like they are now!!!
 
Well, I have shot three Rock Rivers and have handled a number more of them. Your experience is FAR from typical as they have a consistantly excellent product. I mean, first impressions are a lot to get over, but if your experience happened as you describe, it was certainly a fluke.

As to the phone tag stuff, I had similar experience when trying to order a pistol a couple years ago. I think I had to call about five times before I got a real, like human being... who couldn't answer any of my qestions. :p

Point is, anyone reading this thread wondering whether or not to order a Rock River 1911 or AR, I can highly recommend them both. Certainly on par with similarly priced Baers. For a no-nonsense business 1911, I would look pretty hard at the Springfield Pro, but if you want something with different features or a different finish, the Rock Rivers are pretty hard to beat for the money.
 
On a happy note: I've had a RRA Elite Commando (no front serrations, Heinie Sites, everything else standard) for about 2 years now. I'd say that it's "The Perfect 1911" for me. I'm a huge fan of a steel commander size.
I recently handled a Wilson CQB that was AWESOME and I was pretty amazed by a Les Baer that I fondled.
Can't we all just get along?
 
Hahaha! You must not have anything better to do then digging out old posts!!
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You're the guy who has hundreds of posts on every forum. You must not have anything better to do.

And don't claim one thing, when anyone can verify you're a fraud. By the way, where are the pics of the alleged problems on the RRA?
 
btw; the pictures you want to see so badly...
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I've seen the pictures and your threads on the 1911Forum as well as the Louder Then Words forum as well.

The exterior is a thing of beauty. The interior pics above are not what I would expect.

That being said, I think you dropped the ball by not persueing the issue further with RRA. It may have been initially frustrating but I have a hard time believing RRA wouldn't have stood behind the product and made things right.

All companies have quality issues at one time or another. The mark of a good company is how they respond to these problems. For all the effort you have put into posting around the net highlighting your issues, you could have easily made another phone call to RRA and asked to speak to a senior person there. The guy answering the phone that day could have been the shop flunky for all you know.

I hope you get things sorted to your satisfaction in the end.
 
Amazing what photoshop can do.

Where in Texas are you? I'll buy the gun if it sucks so bad. then you can buy a new Kimber, or Colt. Wait, I mean Kimber.
 
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