Rug M77 vs Rem 700 vs Sav 10

[MachIVshooter]

I think rem700's are cheap crap and always have been

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I will point out that yours stands in stark contrast to the majority. As I said, I have 4 700's:

A 1999 Vintage 700 BDL C/D .25-06. It is a consistent sub-MOA rifle with many (most) loads and perfectly finished

A 2004 Vintage 700 BDL SS .375 RUM. Also very accurate (when using a lead sled; too much recoil to shoot small groups without it) and also flawless fit & finish.

A 2006 Vintage 700 LVSF .17 Rem. This rifle shoots! .7 MOA 200 yard average five-shot groups with my 20 gr. handloads. And yes, it's also flawless physically/aesthetically.

A 1979 Vintage 700 BDL C/D 8mm Rem Mag. Haven't had time to taylor a load with this more recent acquisition, but have no complaints so far from simply zeroing with the first batch of handloads. It is in excellent condition for a 30 year old rifle, and was obviously done right when it left big green's facility.

So, like I said, you're entitled to your opinion, but most don't view (pre-2010) M700's as "cheap crap".

 

[mnhntr]

Savage 10

 

[Orkan]

When did anything the military do make sence? They must have started that after I left My Savages will easly outshoot any military sniper rifle I ever shot.

The OP clearly stated it must have been used by military or police. As for the rest of your claim... you must have had some worn out sniper rifles!

 

[Kachok]

The OP clearly stated it must have been used by military or police. As for the rest of your claim... you must have had some worn out sniper rifles!

Savage has a whole line of LE rifles, and no they were not worn out, I just had a plain jane Savage that would put bullet after bullet after bullet through the same hole hardly grazing the paper with each shot, it is VERY hard to get more accurate then that, mabey if I steped it out to 600yd the higher BC sniper bullets would put it ahead but at 100 that little MkII 17HMR walks all over anything else I ever shot. Now it would only do that with 17gr TNTs, the polly tip bullets grouped about .9" not nearly as good. I could cover my 5 shot group with the rim of the 17, now that is a group! My centerfire Savages have not just shot sub-moa but would touch holes with boring regularity.

 

[andym79]

Originally Posted by taliv
When did the military use savage or ruger?

As has been pointed out the police are also included!

The Savage 10FP is the official rifle for the New York State Police Rapid Response Team. So that is why its allowed in the competition!

The Ruger M77 is in use with the RCMP!

I am no closer to deciding which of the 3 to go for. The only conclusion I can draw is they all have their weaknesses!

My MKII BV groups very well. Does any one know which models have free floated barrels and which have bedded actions?

I was tempted to go .308 that brings Winchester in to play, but that will cost a lot more to shoot!

 

[tundraotto]

Savage 10FP without a doubt in my book.

 

[heeler]

I have owned both the 700(several really)the M77,but no Savage due to the fact that I consider them ugly.
I truely believe you could take three rifles of each make right out of the box and after a barrel cleaning take them to the range and get pretty much the same accuracy.
Most likely one of each would out shoot the others slightly.
Just pick the one you like best and buy it.

 

[viking499]

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I think rem700's are cheap crap and always have been

I will partially agree. New Remingtons, yes. Older Remingtons(15 years and farther back), no.

 

[SDBoltz]

For me it would depend on whether or not you are keeping the rifle "as is" straight out out of the box or not. If so, grab a Savage with an Accutrigger and Accustock. Of the 3 it has been the most accurate straight out of the box. Go for a heavy barrel model. If you plan on adding aftermarket parts, then go with the Remington 700. ABSOLUTELY the most aftermarket support of any bolt gun. Give it a trigger, swap out the stock and shoot it until it needs a new barrel. Then add a Brux, Shilen etc and be done. I have in my safe both options. I shoot my 700 more. The stock fits me like a glove, the Timney trigger is smooth as glass and the Brux barrel has turned it into a laser. Was it more than my Savage? Yes... Do I enjoy shootin it more, absolutely. Again opt for a heavy barrel like a SPS Varmint. If you can afford it step up to a 700 Sendero II or XCR tactical long range and save $$ on a stock.

 

[R.W.Dale]

While 10 years ago it was true rem had the best aftermarket support today there isn't a darn thing you can get for a 700 you can't get for a 10/110 too.


In fact when it comes to barrels the saveage has much more support

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[JimStC]

Thread drift: recommend an aftermarket stock for the Model 12, please.
Preferably thumbhole and wood or laminate.
Thanks,
Jim

 

[R.W.Dale]

Thread drift: recommend an aftermarket stock for the Model 12, please.
Preferably thumbhole and wood or laminate.
Thanks,
Jim

If you want to have the most options and are willing to finish it and are patient enough to wait a few weeks for it to be made llook at Richards Microfit

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[JimStC]

Thanks RW I have been looking hard at their "Tac-Driver" Silhouette model. You confirmed my thinking. Again, thanks a bunch.
Jim

 

[SDBoltz]

While 10 years ago it was true rem had the best aftermarket support today there isn't a darn thing you can get for a 700 you can't get for a 10/110 too.


In fact when it comes to barrels the saveage has much more support

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While that is true, the shear number of companies that make something for the 700 is still much higher than that of any other rifle. And while one company might have a few options for a Savage, their options for a 700 are huge. Not to mention the companies that are out who only make parts specifically for the 700. So yes you can get anything for a Savage that you can for a 700, but your options are and have always been more limited.

 

[BoilerUP]

I have a Remington 700 Mountain LSS in 260, and it has the slickest, smoothest factory bolt I've ever used. I also have a 700 BDL in 30-06 and its bolt feels rough and gritty.

I have a Savage 10FP, and while its bolt lift is heavier than the Mtn LSS (even with a Stockade bolt lift kit) its action is almost as smooth. This rifle wears a Criterion 260 barrel and sits in a Manners T2 stock. I have another Savage, a 12FV in a BC A2 Medalist stock, that despite heavy bolt lift and a less-than-slick action wears a factory 223 barrel and shoots 75gr Hornady HPBTs into 5 shot 0.4" @ 100yd groups.

Here's my opinion: pay your money and take your chances.

I personally went with Savage for one reason: you can do 99% of work on them yourself. Change bolt heads, bolt handles, and barrels in your basement or garage with a very small set of tools in a matter of minutes. A 700 will cost you hundreds of dollars in gunsmithing fees to customize, while with a Savage you can DIY. If you just want a factory rifle and have no plans to customize or modify it, this may be a moot point.

Based on your criteria for a 223 bolt gun, a 700 Tactical or Savage 10FP-SR would be high on my list. I'd personally plan on replacing the stock on both, and there are more readily available options for the 700...I really like the Bell & Carlson M40 Medalist stock.

That being said, I'd probably choose the 10FP-SR because of the reasons I mentioned earlier...and order a Manners T2 or T3 for it.

 

[R.W.Dale]

While that is true, the shear number of companies that make something for the 700 is still much higher than that of any other rifle. And while one company might have a few options for a Savage, their options for a 700 are huge. Not to mention the companies that are out who only make parts specifically for the 700. So yes you can get anything for a Savage that you can for a 700, but your options are and have always been more limited.

Again this might have been the case 10 years ago but its simply not today. Any company making anything for precision rifles is shooting themselves in the foot by not making their product for savages too.

Here's a challenge find FIVE just five things you can buy for a rem that that same company doesn't offer for savage.

Just five things

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[BoilerUP]

Off the top of my head:

AICS Chassis
Bell & Carlson A1/A3/A5/M40 Medalist stocks
Leupold Mark 4 one-piece base
Manners mini-chassis

That said, there are alternatives to each of the above omissions...and AI has said (again) that a Savage SA AICS is coming, this time supposedly hitting the market late Q3-early Q4 2012.

 

[R.W.Dale]

You can buy b&c medalists stocks for savages. Obviously they're not calling it the "m40"

Leupold does in fact offer a mk4 base for savages

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/pro...ries/mounting-systems/mark-4-tactical-mounts/

Not sure on the aics. Like you said its coming

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[BoilerUP]

You can buy two piece Leupold Mk4 bases, not a single-piece base. Two piece bases don't offer any MOA slope while one-piece bases do.

You can buy an A2 Medalist for the short action Savage, but none of the other tactical models BC makes (and no style tactical Medalist for the long 110 action).

Obviously there are alternatives to the above (EGW bases and you can order any model McMillan or Manners stock)...

I'd LOVE to buy a M40 Medalist for my 110 (its made for a LA 700) but can't...

 

[MCMXI]

I prefer the look and finish of Remington 700s compared to most Savage rifles but I prefer the AccuTrigger, three-position safety, easy barrel change and lockable bolt standard on many Savage rifles ... the AccuStock is a total POS. However, if you're going to shoot F-Class type matches you'd be hard pressed to find anything better than the 12 F/TR, but shove a 30" barrel on a 700 and give it a weight of 12.6lb and I bet it'll shoot just as well. Remington doesn't offer an equivalent to the 12 F/TR so Savage wins that one. I have three 700s which all shot 0.75 MOA or better at 100 yards with the factory barrels and my reloads. I'm still annoyed with Savage since my Weather Warrior chambered in 7mm-08 arrived with a useless barrel and a defective receiver (top not level) as did my neighbors Weather Warrior chambered in .30-06 Sprg. My next hunting rifle will be a Winchester Model 70 Extreme Weather SS.

Have you considered Accuracy International rifles? They're used by the British military and probably the Aussie military too. You get easy/fast barrel swaps, super smooth action with 60 degree bolt lift, three-position safety, lockable bolt, two-stage trigger, superb accuracy, detachable 10-round magazine, plus they're extremely tough and superbly accurate.

 

[joed]

I really find it interesting reading what others like and don't like. I've owned Remington, Winchester, Ruger and Savage.

Remington as of late leaves much to be desired. My last was purchased Oct 2010. The stock was junk and the trigger one of the worst I've ever owned. With a new Timney trigger and B&C stock this gun will shoot. I paid $484 for this SPS VS Stainless out the door which left me a lot of room to replace things. I own more Remingtons then any other make.

Winchester is one of my favorites. Their QC is good and I've never had any problems with their rifles. Sadly I don't own enough Winchesters. I don't own one of the newer models with my newest being made before the announcement they were closing the plant. This one is very accurate and I have no complaints. I'd still like to have one more Winchester and I'm looking now.

Ruger is one that I tried reluctantly and just didn't like it. I had one of their Target rifles and found that it's accuracy wasn't all that great. It had a nice trigger and appeared to be well made.

Savage. Had 2, a 10fp in .223 and a 12VSS in .22-250. The 10fp was very accurate and a nice gun. For a heavy barrel rifle it wasn't all that heavy either. It had one problem that drove me nuts though, it couldn't feed the next round reliably 30% of the time. That rifle made a few trips back to the shop but I never could get it to feed reliably. I sold it because of the feeding problem. At times I miss it because of the accuracy and weight but a rifle that you can't depend on to feed ammo reliably doesn't cut it.

The 12VSS was a beautiful and expensive rifle. All stainless with fluted barrel and choate stock. This one had one fatal flaw too, it would string the shots like the right side of a letter V. A gunsmith told me there was some flaw with the barrel though he didn't know what. For what I paid for that rifle I sold it and went Remington.

 

[rule303]

While I would pick the Ruger for a wood stocked deer rifle, for the type of shooting you are looking to do, the Savage would be my choice. More rigid stock, better trigger, and probably more accurate than the 700 for less money.

 

[Orkan]