I was getting ready to load some 460 S&W with new Hornady brass, Hornady 250 gr 0.451" XTP bullets, and Winchester 296 powder, but I can't find any reloading data for this combination. The Hodgens/Winchester site had no load data with a 250 gr 0.452" dia bullet and my reloading manual is a Speer from before the 360 was available.
I spent an hour or so looking through old threads and came to the conclusion of just what you stated. I bought the 250 gr bullets because the factory ammo I bought is Winchester 250 gr. I should have done more research before buying the bullets. I use the Ein 296 for 44 and 357 mag and 30 carbine, so I was wanting to use it for the 460. I guess I either need to get rid of these Hornady bullets or buy another powder so I can use the bullets. What powder would you recommend if I were to decide to use these bullets for light loads? I have 100 bullets, so it's not like I bought 1000, and whatever powder I get, I can use it for 44 mag and 357 mag, also, probably.The reason there's no data for it is because that bullet is not designed for .460 pressures and velocities. It is designed for .45 Colt. While it can be used for reduced recoil loads, loading it to legitimate .460 pressures and velocities can lead to jacket separation and excessive forcing cone erosion. You need to use Hornady 240 or 300 gr XTP-MAGs and not their regular .45 caliber XTPs. Speer's 300 Gr Deep Curls also work well. W296 does not work with reduced recoil loads, so either your bullets or your powder need to change.
The OP is using a Ruger #1. I have a S&W Performance Center 460XVR I am starting to reload for.As for forcing cone erosion; he's shooting a Ruger #1.
I spent an hour or so looking through old threads and came to the conclusion of just what you stated. I bought the 250 gr bullets because the factory ammo I bought is Winchester 250 gr. I should have done more research before buying the bullets. I use the Ein 296 for 44 and 357 mag and 30 carbine, so I was wanting to use it for the 460. I guess I either need to get rid of these Hornady bullets or buy another powder so I can use the bullets. What powder would you recommend if I were to decide to use these bullets for light loads? I have 100 bullets, so it's not like I bought 1000, and whatever powder I get, I can use it for 44 mag and 357 mag, also, probably.
The OP is using a Ruger #1. I have a S&W Performance Center 460XVR I am starting to reload for.
there is a recipe for the 45 .452 xtps its in the lee manual i use it all the time in my 460 with the 14 in. barrel its a great load 2400 is the powder i use and i believe power pistol is the other though it could be unique would have to look it is not a reduced load. i also use that same bullet in my 45 long colts and have great results. [COLOR]The Alliant web site also has a recipe for that same bullet in speer jhp.[/COLOR]
I was simply stating that the 250 grn 45 xtp is designed to be shot in the 460 it is well under the pressure and performs very well for me with 2400 as my powder using LRP and lee has a very good recipe for that exact bullet in there book so all he has to do is change powders if he wants to use those xtps.This load is well suited for the big 460 gun.
Hey Buck let me ask you this I am always lookin for good proven loads and would like to hear what you have found to be a great load for the 460 I prefer hornady bullets although will use whatever works best ,so if you have a good recipe I would luv to hear it so I could try it always lookin to get tighter .I shoot about 50-100 yrds most of the time when i get the hand cannon out.Its the 14 in so ballistics might be diff if yours is not .You can shoot me a pm if you dont wana post it .
Try it and see how that works for you. Expansion is one thing, instantaneous deconstruction is quite another. Push jacketed bullets designed for standard pressure .45Colt to .460S&W rifle velocities and they will act like varmint bombs. Especially with a bullet like the XTP that is not bonded and already has a reputation for jacket/core separation.I believe the jacket separation concern is unfounded though expansion at the terminal end should be impressive.
Smells an awful lot like a .45-70. All the performance without the blistering pressures.Wouldn't a bottleneck case based on the .500 S&W be "better" for a rifle?
Since you don't have to load to maximum, why not start with some light loads and work up--as you find the "required" bullets.
I would think a good hard cast bullet at 350-400gn would be great.
Tell us how the rifle performs, OK?
Try it and see how that works for you. Expansion is one thing, instantaneous deconstruction is quite another. Push jacketed bullets designed for standard pressure .45Colt to .460S&W rifle velocities and they will act like varmint bombs. Especially with a bullet like the XTP that is not bonded and already has a reputation for jacket/core separation.
I didn't say it was but he's talking about 350-400gr cast bullets and the discussion is about a .460 rifle, not handguns. The .45-70 will do that with a FAR better selection of bullets in that weight range. Sorry if it makes more sense to me to use an existing cartridge to do what you want it to without creating a new wildcat and having a custom reamer made.? Since when was the 45-70 a bottle neck case?
Even the hottest Contender type loads for it don't come close to the 460S&W Mag.
That's not a .45Colt bullet. That's also classic jacket/core separation and while that's not a good thing, it's not what I was talking about either. While it may have resulted in a dead critter, your bullet failed and you'd be better served with the aforementioned 300gr Speer. Or the 270gr Gold Dot.This is a Hornady 250 gr SST/ML bullet recovered from an Impala I shot.
I'm confused, you say the concern is unfounded and then post a picture of a bullet that separated.I believe the jacket separation concern is unfounded...