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run what ya brung, i guess. if its all i had, and it had a banana.hi cap mag in it, i doubt the intruders gonna keep asking for more after you've peppered him, lets face it.
Ruger 10/22 for HD?
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41magsnub
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Not ideal, but if it was all I had I would not feel totally hosed. 25 rds of .22lr into a tight group as fast as I can pull the trigger, not bad as long as the circumstances line up to allow it. I'd much rather use something harder hitting.of course.
bad_aim_billy
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Of course shooting from the hip isn't ideal, but the point is, in a self-defense situation, with a .22, it's actually very doable. It's scary how accurate a rifle with no recoil can be shot from the hip, at close ranges...
mljdeckard
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You can drive a car with your feet if you want to. Doesn't make it a good idea.
Maverick223
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Case-head sep-ar-a-tion. Definition of un-re-lia-ble.
I'll take mine hecho en mexico...Aguila Excelente Máximo HP por favor.
i wont get into the argument of lethality or effectivness but in a situation where all i had was my 10/22 you better believe im dumping mags in the BG
the OP asked about good highcap mags that work i would go with the tactical innovations inc TI-25s
http://www.tacticalinc.com/ti25-advanced-composite-steel-magazine-ruger-1022-p-532.html
ive run thousands of rounds through the ones i have and never had a malfunction due to the magazine
they are adjustable to your rifle and you can get three types all metal all polymer or polymer with a metal lip the poly with metal lip is what i use and they can be dissmantled for cleaning
the OP asked about good highcap mags that work i would go with the tactical innovations inc TI-25s
http://www.tacticalinc.com/ti25-advanced-composite-steel-magazine-ruger-1022-p-532.html
ive run thousands of rounds through the ones i have and never had a malfunction due to the magazine
they are adjustable to your rifle and you can get three types all metal all polymer or polymer with a metal lip the poly with metal lip is what i use and they can be dissmantled for cleaning
outerlimit
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Lots of good posts in this thread. Once again I'll say a semi-auto .22lr carbine is nothing to sneeze at, even loaded with cheapo value brick rounds. I would not want to face one with a pistol.
There was an unprovoked random shooting recently in a nearby town where one person in the vehicle shot into the other with a .22lr carbine. It has caused me to rethink my car gun, though I haven't changed anything as of yet. There were two perps in the car, both armed with .22lr rifles. If that happened to me, I would not want to face those two attackers with a typical service sized pistol as my only arm.
There was an unprovoked random shooting recently in a nearby town where one person in the vehicle shot into the other with a .22lr carbine. It has caused me to rethink my car gun, though I haven't changed anything as of yet. There were two perps in the car, both armed with .22lr rifles. If that happened to me, I would not want to face those two attackers with a typical service sized pistol as my only arm.
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Storz
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How much of a difference is there in power between a .22 round from a pistol, and a .22 round coming out for a rifle or carbine?
I've had several .22 rifles (10/22 and a MarkII-FV) and was always amazed at how hard they would hit a swinging metal plate I had set out at 50 yards.
I've had several .22 rifles (10/22 and a MarkII-FV) and was always amazed at how hard they would hit a swinging metal plate I had set out at 50 yards.
I did a test once, comparing the two and the ability to penetrate aircraft aluminum <all I had> and the 22lr out of a rifle was far and away more powerfull.
I would almost call the 22lr out of a pistol anemic. It would barely dent the metal.
And the same round, and ESPECIALLY the hot 22lr rounds, just torn it up and blew chunks out of it out of the 24 inch rifle.
To me, it really is 22 Long Rifle
I would almost call the 22lr out of a pistol anemic. It would barely dent the metal.
And the same round, and ESPECIALLY the hot 22lr rounds, just torn it up and blew chunks out of it out of the 24 inch rifle.
To me, it really is 22 Long Rifle
outerlimit
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All of the hot and value box loads I've shot registered highest fps on the chronometer with an 18" custom barrel on a 10/22, that seems to be the sweet spot. That or around 20 inches. The Marlin M60 22" had nearly a 100fps decline with the hottest loads. It might have been a 24" barrel on the Marlin, not really sure it was several years ago. In fact now that I think about it, I think it was a 24". A barrel design difference could also be a slight factor between the two guns, but that's probably a small issue. More than 20" with a .22lr is pretty much pointless from my experience if you're only interested in speed!
Nicky Santoro
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Ruger 10/22 for HD?
Pointed at an intruder's face, the bore to him will appear to be 12 gauge. Shot in the face, he'll wish his mother never met his father.
Ideal? No. Better than any non-firearm for HD? Absolutely.
I have a friend who was robbed by someone pointing a .22 rifle at his face. He said it seemed like he was looking down a sewer pipe.
Pointed at an intruder's face, the bore to him will appear to be 12 gauge. Shot in the face, he'll wish his mother never met his father.
Ideal? No. Better than any non-firearm for HD? Absolutely.
I have a friend who was robbed by someone pointing a .22 rifle at his face. He said it seemed like he was looking down a sewer pipe.
I think a few people have missed the point. The poster didn't write that one should fire from the hip in a HD situation. He was merely pointing out how much easier it is to put rounds on target from a non-ideal position with a carbine rather than a pistol. If you know that you will always be able to assume the proper stance, then this is irrelevant. If not, then ease of putting rounds on target in non-textbook stances is something to consider.
Every one of my pistols handle the same way for that exact reason. Everything is either striker-fired, revolver, or DA/SA with no safety. That way, i just pull the trigger. If I ever get a 1911 (which ai really want to eventually), it would just be a range gun. I don't want to change the routine or alter my well ingrained muscle-memory to "point and click."
I also don't pick a gun that doesn't point totally naturally for me right off the bat.
Oh and 90% of the time, it's my M&P9 that is pulling nightstand duty. So it's not like I'm switching around all that much.
But I appreciate the tip.
MCgunner
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Proper application of a .22 bullet can do marvelous things. Just ask any successful poacher.
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I've had good performance with Butler Creek 10 rd Steel Lips magazines. They’ve been very reliable in my experience.
Ruger factory rotary magazines become unreliable when they get dirty. They cannot keep up when I work the trigger rapidly. I’d never use a rotary magazine for defense use.
I have three Tactical Innovations polymer 25 rd magazines. They’re nowhere near as reliable as the Butler Creek 10 rd magazines. When fully loaded with 25 rds the mass of cartridges is too much for the magazine spring to reliably keep up when firing the first half-dozen or so shots. I wouldn’t trust it for defense use.
Years ago I equipped my 10/22 to serve as an understudy gun to my AR/M4s. I installed a butt ugly Choate Pistol Grip Stock, XS Sight Systems Ghost Ring sight set, and a Power Custom Weaver base to mount a cheap ($30) BSA red dot optical sight. The whole setup has been very accurate and reliable for me.
If I were to use my 10/22 for home defense I’d use the Butler Creek 10 rd magazine for its superior reliability. It reliably feeds as quickly as I can press the trigger in rapid fire.
Good luck!
Ruger factory rotary magazines become unreliable when they get dirty. They cannot keep up when I work the trigger rapidly. I’d never use a rotary magazine for defense use.
I have three Tactical Innovations polymer 25 rd magazines. They’re nowhere near as reliable as the Butler Creek 10 rd magazines. When fully loaded with 25 rds the mass of cartridges is too much for the magazine spring to reliably keep up when firing the first half-dozen or so shots. I wouldn’t trust it for defense use.
Years ago I equipped my 10/22 to serve as an understudy gun to my AR/M4s. I installed a butt ugly Choate Pistol Grip Stock, XS Sight Systems Ghost Ring sight set, and a Power Custom Weaver base to mount a cheap ($30) BSA red dot optical sight. The whole setup has been very accurate and reliable for me.
If I were to use my 10/22 for home defense I’d use the Butler Creek 10 rd magazine for its superior reliability. It reliably feeds as quickly as I can press the trigger in rapid fire.
Good luck!
ezenbrowntown
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I would think it lay largely on the "type" of home defense. The idea of being able to unload a large amount of ammo is appetizing for sure. Could it work, yeah. The problem I find with it is that there are better options available.
An AR has a 30 round magazine too, that could be unloaded quite quickly with a whole lot more stopping power. This doesn't even take into account various other rifle platforms, or even shotguns.
While not knocking anyone's defense options, my 10/22 would be the last thing I'd grab. I just can't justify it with other options available. Can it work, yes. Can something else work a lot better, yep.
An AR has a 30 round magazine too, that could be unloaded quite quickly with a whole lot more stopping power. This doesn't even take into account various other rifle platforms, or even shotguns.
While not knocking anyone's defense options, my 10/22 would be the last thing I'd grab. I just can't justify it with other options available. Can it work, yes. Can something else work a lot better, yep.
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There is little doubt that the 22 is well to the left of ideal, my support for it comes by the notion that everyone should have at least some kind of firearm at home and for me the all around favorite would be the 10/22. Shoot it often teach your wife and kids as well. If you have the money build on that but for the $100-$200 it takes to get one there is no excuse to be unarmed in your home and it is legal everywhere as far as I know. Shoot guns and center fire rifles are great but if the cost of ammo, recoil, weight is an impediment for your family and you can have just one then that would be my choice. Even if SHTF you have a nice compact weapon that will fill many rolls and you can keep a lot of ammo for.
Maverick223
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Speaking of which, a magnum load of No. 1 buck can deliver 24 pellets of .30cal that are in the neighborhood of the energy of a .22lr...so it is effectively a 25rnd magazine in one shell.
I have two 10/22 carbines, and they're the jammingest little bastards I've ever owned. Neither can get through a 10-rd. stock Ruger magazine without at least one jam/FTE. I know the 10/22's can be worked over to fix this, but until that's been done and the rifle tested to prove function and reliability, I wouldn't trust it. I just haven't tweaked mine yet, I have many other toys that don't jam.
But, that being said, if the rifle HAS been tweaked so that it runs well and won't jam, and it HAS been thoroughly tested with a good quality ammo that proves to function without problems, then yes, I would use it for defense. The 22LR round can certainly be deadly, especially if you dump as many into a BG as you can before he hits the floor.
Fortunately, I don't have to worry about it because I have many other choices. First in line are my 1911's and M1 carbine. And my .40S&W High Point carbine is deadly accurate and totally reliable. But, the original question was about using a 10/22, wasn't it? So that's my opinion.....well cleaned, tweaked for reliability, and tested with top shelf ammo, you should be OK. 22's are well-known for lethally damaging and stopping humans.
But, that being said, if the rifle HAS been tweaked so that it runs well and won't jam, and it HAS been thoroughly tested with a good quality ammo that proves to function without problems, then yes, I would use it for defense. The 22LR round can certainly be deadly, especially if you dump as many into a BG as you can before he hits the floor.
Fortunately, I don't have to worry about it because I have many other choices. First in line are my 1911's and M1 carbine. And my .40S&W High Point carbine is deadly accurate and totally reliable. But, the original question was about using a 10/22, wasn't it? So that's my opinion.....well cleaned, tweaked for reliability, and tested with top shelf ammo, you should be OK. 22's are well-known for lethally damaging and stopping humans.
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No matter what you use for defense, you have to accomplish two things for that firearm to be effective- placement and penetration. A .22 can manage penetration sufficient to be an effective stopper in a defensive role if placement is correct. As an EMT I saw proof of that in the field more than once.
In a defensive situation, the triangle formed by the outside corners of the eyes and the bottom of the nose is the most appropriate frontal target for any .22, handgun or carbine, IMHO. Shifting down the scale to a low powered round like a .22 rimfire only increases the necessity for good placement, and the best placement for a sure stop with a .22 is a CNS (central nervous system) shot.
If all I had for defense was a 10-22, I would use whatever ammunition 1) was most reliable in the particular 10-22, and 2) preferably with a solid bullet for the sake of penetration. I would definitely shoot from the shoulder if time and proximity permitted and likewise definitely use the sights, as accuracy is IMHO more important than rate of fire. I'd rather have something besides a .22 for defense, but if it was all I had I'd certainly use it to the best of my ability if the necessity arose.
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lpl
In a defensive situation, the triangle formed by the outside corners of the eyes and the bottom of the nose is the most appropriate frontal target for any .22, handgun or carbine, IMHO. Shifting down the scale to a low powered round like a .22 rimfire only increases the necessity for good placement, and the best placement for a sure stop with a .22 is a CNS (central nervous system) shot.
If all I had for defense was a 10-22, I would use whatever ammunition 1) was most reliable in the particular 10-22, and 2) preferably with a solid bullet for the sake of penetration. I would definitely shoot from the shoulder if time and proximity permitted and likewise definitely use the sights, as accuracy is IMHO more important than rate of fire. I'd rather have something besides a .22 for defense, but if it was all I had I'd certainly use it to the best of my ability if the necessity arose.
fwiw,
lpl
Do you completely disassemble and clean them? I have two 10/22s that NEVER jam. Never! But, I always thoroughly clean them every time I shoot them. I do the same with all my guns and very seldon ever get a jam or stovepipe or anything else.
Count on the 22lr giving you an advantage but not stopping the threat. Expect to have to continue fighting; know what you're planning to do next and don't be a dumb bunny stuck on observe-orient when you've emptied the magazine. If you don't have a better weapon handy, use the rifle as a whip, not a club. Keep ahold of the stock and use the tip of the gun like a cane to whip the skin (more effective against bare skin, less effective against drunks). Don't turn the gun around and try to bash with the stock.
The real question here isn't what is possible, it's what is probable. Can you kill a man with a .22 LR? Sure. Many people have. Would I want to try it at 3 AM, when I know that failure could result in the death of my wife and daughter? No way.
I can say with the confidence of experience that I can absolutely smoke a moving, 4 5/16 inch disk with a $170 Mossberg. Take the shotty, take the shotty, take the shotty.
I can say with the confidence of experience that I can absolutely smoke a moving, 4 5/16 inch disk with a $170 Mossberg. Take the shotty, take the shotty, take the shotty.
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