Ruger American Rimfire - Poor Groups W/ CCI Quiet

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I'm trying to get my American Rimfire dialed in with CCI Quiets so I can run it suppressed as a squirrel gun. I've yet to get reasonable groups out of it, if you take a look at the images you'll see what I'm talking about. I get decent results with most ammo (see the MiniMag & Federal White Box pics), these groups were taken yesterday from a bench at 25 yards. I get decent groups with the Quiets with my other guns, so...

What do you think, is this an issue with this particular gun + ammo combination? Should I send it to Ruger for service, or just forget about it? Thanks.
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They don't shoot great in any of my guns. 22's are always picky on ammo. Is standard velocity ammo (1050 fps) not quiet enough with your suppressor? My 24" barrel savage sounds like a nail gun when shot with standard velocity ammo and no suppressor. With quiets you pretty much just hear the firing pin click.
 
Dunno as I can really add anything but to say that it seems common for .22 rifles to be picky about ammo. I had a 10/22 that 'hated" almost everything until I found QuikShok. :D But, my Walther Model 2 shot one-inch groups at forty yards with any kind of ammo I fed it. Damfino.
 
Odd Job said:
Your gun does not do well with that ammo.
No need to be concerned, I have tried CCI quiet in three of my .22s and my groups were not that good either.
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Same,
mine holds 1" at 25yds, but 2-3" at 50 with a lot of vertical dispersion.
I second the advice to go to regular standard Vs and Subsonics.

I shoot everything unsuppressed and there is a slight difference between "subs" (I think they are supposed to be 950), and standard Vs, and a huge difference between SVs and HVs.

Quites are quieter still but not significantly so.
 
The CCI quiets are only going about 710 fps with a 40 gr bullet. My guess is that they aren't being fully stabilized. A few of the bullet holes in your "quiet" target look like there might be some yawing, hard to tell from the pics.... Most 22 rifles including yours have a 1/16 rate of twist which is optimized for a 40 gr.22 at about 1100....

If your familiar with ARs, it's a similar situation to some ARs with 1/9 twist that won't stabilize the heavier 5.56 bullets.... Some 1/9 barrels will stabilize them and some won't.... I wouldn't bother sending it back to Ruger because based on your other groups there is nothing wrong with it... Try a different brand of subsonics....
 
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I’ll jump on the bandwagon and say since .22’s are notoriously finicky about the ammunition they like, I’d quit chasing groups with CCI Quiets. Especially since from what I’m reading they aren’t accurate in a bunch of rifles.

Bushpilot told me CCI is fixing to roll out a new offering, the .22 Not So Quiet, for rifles that don’t like Quiets. I don’t know if I believe him.
 
Gosh I was at Bass Pro today and had a hard time looking at all that variation in .22LR ammo and ALMOST bought some CCI quiet. After the last few years I felt like Robin Williams character in Moscow On The Hudson in the Coffee section of his grocery in NYC. I had been looking for CCI .22 CB Long BTW and it seems the one thing they did not have. I almost also bought some CCI .22LR Velociraptor for use in pistols as it seems to do rather well from short barrel stuff at gel blocks.....but I refused to pay 12 cents a round for non match quality .22LR. I ended up with the CCI "Tactical" labeled 300 count 40 grain RN copper wash at 1200fps on the label (sounds like garden variety Mini Mag to me, but the right bullet type for reliable feeding for paper punching in an AR15 conversion)

But back on topic...... my suppressor building bud used to try to use the old training , club, or match ammo that was just a 40 grain round nose at 1050 to 1090 fps out of something like a 513T or 52D or 54 on the 50 foot indoor range of our youth. Back when he first got into cans and was buying them rather than making and selling them we shot a lot of the old Remington out side lubed 40 grain RNL "greasy stuff" in handguns with great results.....if some what nastier than copper washed ammo.

If I were you I would go to a place like Bass Pro with a huge selection and look for ammo market "Club", "Target" or "Match" and maybe "Training" and check the posted velocity on the box, choose those under 1100 fps, compare individual round cost with CCI Quiet and some others, and buy 50 or 100 rounds of each to try in your rifle.

I have dribs and drabs and part boxes of various stuff I have tried over the years in various rifles and sometimes when just plinking try to shoot it up without worrying about best mechanical reliability, accuracy, penetration or bullet upset in a critter........soda cans really do not care.

-kBob
 
The CCI quite's are pretty fun to shoot. I bought a whole brick of them just for the novelty of silent shooting from an unsuppressed rifle. I've only ever tried them in one rifle. My results are better than yours but not great compared to other ammo. They will hit a pop can at 50 yards but most other ammo shoots better. They shoot fine out of my buckmark pistol, I've use them to shoot ground squirrels out the patio door but are really not that quiet in a pistol. Try CCI standard velocity, great cheap target ammo.
 
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Bushpilot told me CCI is fixing to roll out a new offering, the .22 Not So Quiet, for rifles that don’t like Quiets. I don’t know if I believe him.
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LOL.... No, I didn't say that but CCI should and it's target velocity should be about 875 fps (instead of 710). If my math is correct, that would keep it subsonic from roughly about 7500ft elevation and below.. It would shoot better then "quiets" in most rifles and still not make much noise..... And I want a cut of the profits from every box they sell....
 
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I shoot CCI Quiets out of an unsurpressed Rem 580 and its quieter then my subsonic pellet rifle.
Why would you want to suppress it ?
 
CCI now has a new offering, CCI Suppressor,
45 grain subsonic hollow points 970 fps.

They're a little hard to come by yet, but they are available from Target Sports USA, about $5 for a 50 count.

They'll possibly be a little loudrr than the quiets, maybe not with the suppressor, but might group better for you.
 
So you were telling the truth Bushpilot. You just got the name wrong. Suppressor does have a nicer ring to it than Not So Quiet.
 
Jerseykris said:
CCI now has a new offering, CCI Suppressor,
45 grain subsonic hollow points 970 fps.

They're a little hard to come by yet, but they are available from Target Sports USA, about $5 for a 50 count.
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Sorry, I thought they were new, but apparently they've been around since at least late '16. I guess they're kind of a guarded secret since they're hard to find, I've never heard anybody mention them until I saw them online a month or two ago.
 
I bought some to run through my savage fvsr with a gemtech can and they didn’t perform for me either.
 
If your Ruger likes them, try Aguila SSS. Drops squirrels like a stone and shoots sub inch at 50 yards out of my Marlin 981T. Pretty quiet. Should work with your suppressor.

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