Ruger Gunsite Scout in .450 Bushmaster

[AyyDudee30]

I ended up buying my first Mauser pattern rifle (Yugo M48BO) and felt like its a great action and wanted to get into the modern interpretations of the action. The Ruger Gunsite Scout seemed like a good rifle from just handling, but I want to know if there are any complaints about them, and if anybody has any experience with the Gunsite Scout chambered in .450 Bushmaster.

 

[saiga308]

I ended up buying my first Mauser pattern rifle (Yugo M48BO) and felt like its a great action and wanted to get into the modern interpretations of the action. The Ruger Gunsite Scout seemed like a good rifle from just handling, but I want to know if there are any complaints about them, and if anybody has any experience with the Gunsite Scout chambered in .450 Bushmaster.

***? thats realy cool and mean looking odd 1/16 inch twist

 

[saiga308]

weird 44 super magnum looking case round
that sucker rips
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/one-rifle-ruger-gunsite-scout-rifle-450-bushmaster-full-review/

 

[saiga308]

wow nice expansion lot better then my 308

 

[mcb]

1:16 is the standard 45 ACP twist rate. Seem some manufacture are using 1:16 for 450 BM too although 450 Bushmaster barrels from Bushmaster (an many others) are 1:24. You would have to be shooting some very long/heavy bullets in 450 BM to need 1:16. I get pretty good accuracy from the slower 1:24 even when shooting 405gr bullets at subsonic velocities.

I love my 450 BM AR. From doing some research the Ruger bolt guns in 450 BM are pretty good and if you are a hand loader you can really make 450 BM shine. The magazine is longer than an AR so you are not limited to 2.26-inch max overall length. This help with pressure and shooting longer bullets. The bolt action is much stronger than an AR 450BM and you can push the pressures a bit past the SAAMI max pressure for 450BM in relative safety. If you are serious about getting into 450 Bushmaster go over and look around http://450bushmaster.net A lot of good info there on 450 BM in general and the Ruger bolt guns in 450 BM.

 

[saiga308]

recoil looks light video time 3:27

 

[saiga308]

1:16 is the standard 45 ACP twist rate.

i see now didnt know that
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/barrel-twist-rate-and-accuracy.780301/

 

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I ended up buying my first Mauser pattern rifle (Yugo M48BO) and felt like its a great action and wanted to get into the modern interpretations of the action. The Ruger Gunsite Scout seemed like a good rifle from just handling, but I want to know if there are any complaints about them, and if anybody has any experience with the Gunsite Scout chambered in .450 Bushmaster.

I have a Ruger GSR Scout in the 18" Stainless version and like it, it handles and balances well. I didn't buy it for the scout design, I bought an XS rail (which preserves the back up irons) and traditionally mounted a scope, but it had all the other features I wanted, shorter barrel, stainless, 18", box mag, threaded, and back up irons.

In regards to the .450 bushmaster, I don't see the point unless one is restricted in hunting only with straight wall cartridges, which is what I think the market Ruger was going after. It doesn't really do anything that the .308 does and at a much cheaper cost of both factory and components. Looking at that article that was posted a few posts ahead of mine, the energies look similar and it lacks the penetration that the .308 delivered (at least on water jugs, which isn't a very precise indicator of real world but it says something).

But if you are in an area that has restrictions on rifle cartridges, then the .450 bushmaster in the Ruger GSR would be a great option. And I get it's value in an AR15 platform as a 'thumper' round, although I would lean more towards the .458 socom, but I digress.

Those are just my opinions, with all these new cartridges coming out one has to wonder in 10-15 years what will still be around. I know the .308 will be, the .450 bushmaster...I don't know. Like many of the new wildcats the AR craze has brought everything out of the woodwork.

 

[CraigC]

i see now didnt know that
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/barrel-twist-rate-and-accuracy.780301/

That thread doesn't see to be worth much. 1:16 is standard for virtually any caliber that shoots a .451" bullet or 1:24 for the .454. The 1:24 might even be preferable as the .454 shoots well with anything up to 400gr.

In regards to the .450 bushmaster, I don't see the point unless one is restricted in hunting only with straight wall cartridges, which is what I think the market Ruger was going after. It doesn't really do anything that the .308 does and at a much cheaper cost of both factory and components. Looking at that article that was posted a few posts ahead of mine, the energies look similar and it lacks the penetration that the .308 delivered (at least on water jugs, which isn't a very precise indicator of real world but it says something).

Loaded with a 300gr Barnes Buster or 320gr Punch bullet, I would hunt critters up to the size of hippo with the .450 but nothing larger than elk with the .308. I got the American Ranch in .450 and was looking forward to testing it on big critters this fall.

 

[mcb]

I have a Ruger GSR Scout in the 18" Stainless version and like it, it handles and balances well. I didn't buy it for the scout design, I bought an XS rail (which preserves the back up irons) and traditionally mounted a scope, but it had all the other features I wanted, shorter barrel, stainless, 18", box mag, threaded, and back up irons.

In regards to the .450 bushmaster, I don't see the point unless one is restricted in hunting only with straight wall cartridges, which is what I think the market Ruger was going after. It doesn't really do anything that the .308 does and at a much cheaper cost of both factory and components. Looking at that article that was posted a few posts ahead of mine, the energies look similar and it lacks the penetration that the .308 delivered (at least on water jugs, which isn't a very precise indicator of real world but it says something).

But if you are in an area that has restrictions on rifle cartridges, then the .450 bushmaster in the Ruger GSR would be a great option. And I get it's value in an AR15 platform as a 'thumper' round, although I would lean more towards the .458 socom, but I digress.

Those are just my opinions, with all these new cartridges coming out one has to wonder in 10-15 years what will still be around. I know the .308 will be, the .450 bushmaster...I don't know. Like many of the new wildcats the AR craze has brought everything out of the woodwork.

I sort of agree that 308 Win is probably better than 450 Bushmaster in general. That said I own a 450 Bushmaster and do not own a 308 Win. And there are quite a number of things that a 450BM can do a 308 cannot. Launch bullet over 250gr. Fit into a standard AR-15 magazine and upper. Launch subsonic projectiles with ~1000ft-lbs of muzzle energy. With light for caliber bullets (200-225gr) 450 BM can exceed typical 308 muzzle energies though they will never shoot as flat or retain that energy down range the way 308 does.

But for my hunting I have never killed a deer much beyond ~120 yards. The properties I hunt on are simply too wooded and too hilly to allow many long range opportunities.

It is sort of a niche caliber but one that is growing. There are quit a number of AR manufactures making 450BM rifles and components now and Ruger, Savage, and even Christensen Arms are making 450 Bushmaster bolt guns. CVA is even making a single shot 450BM. It may never become a main stream cartridge but I think like 10mm Auto it's got enough traction to stick around for quite some time to come.

 

[saiga308]

It is sort of a niche caliber but one that is growing. There are quit a number of AR manufactures making 450BM rifles and components now and Ruger, Savage, and even Christensen Arms are making 450 Bushmaster bolt guns. CVA is even making a single shot 450BM. It may never become a main stream cartridge but I think like 10mm Auto it's got enough traction to stick around for quite some time to come.

wow intresting 18 inch match grade barrel ar why go with a bolt action when you can have a rapid reload ar platform
in that round and the accuracy isnt needed or the same as a short barrel bolt action

 

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My point is that it makes a lot of sense in an AR15 platform, in my mind it doesn't make much sense in a bolt action. But I have guns in my inventory that don't necessarily make sense, but I like them just the same . I'm mainly speaking to the OP as he's looking in particular at a bolt action 450 bushmaster.

But I know quite a few people in the midwest and east that were really excited that Ruger decided to chamber several of their bolt actions in the 450 Bushmaster, as they are limited to straight wall cases for hunting in some areas, and for that it makes a lot of sense. And especially in the ranges to animals that are typical back there.

 

[saiga308]

My point is that it makes a lot of sense in an AR15 platform, in my mind it doesn't make much sense in a bolt action. But I have guns in my inventory that don't necessarily make sense, but I like them just the same . I'm mainly speaking to the OP as he's looking in particular at a bolt action 450 bushmaster.

But I know quite a few people in the midwest and east that were really excited that Ruger decided to chamber several of their bolt actions in the 450 Bushmaster, as they are limited to straight wall cases for hunting in some areas, and for that it makes a lot of sense. And especially in the ranges to animals that are typical back there.

yeah good luck with this is in a ar platform in Calibrealfornia

 

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yeah good luck with this is in a ar platform in Calibrealfornia

I don't find anything in the original posters post eluding to him/her being in California.

 

[mcb]

yeah good luck with this is in a ar platform in Calibrealfornia

I believe he was referring to states more like Indiana, Ohio and parts of Michigan. I grew up in Ohio and for the whole time I lived there it was a slug only state. The year I moved out was the first year they allowed a very limited selection of straight wall pistol and rifle cartridges. Last year they open it up to all straight wall pistol or rifle cartridges at least .357 in diameter.

 

[AyyDudee30]

I don't find anything in the original posters post eluding to him/her being in California.

Yeah, I am sadly in the state of California and basically have given up on really getting into the AR platform, I got a mini 14 to cover my practical rifle needs and am now looking for something to do some thumping up to 300 yards realistically, and something fun to hand load for.

 

[mcb]

Yeah, I am sadly in the state of California and basically have given up on really getting into the AR platform, I got a mini 14 to cover my practical rifle needs and am now looking for something to do some thumping up to 300 yards realistically, and something fun to hand load for.

I think your going to find the 450 Bushmaster is not an easy 300 yard cartridge. I love mine but if you start playing with a ballistic calculator you quickly find that beyond 200 yards the bottom falls out from underneath 450 BM. A 150 yard zero results in nearly a point blank hold out to 200 yards but ~25 inches of drop at 300 yards.

 

[AyyDudee30]

I think your going to find the 450 Bushmaster is not an easy 300 yard cartridge. I love mine but if you start playing with a ballistic calculator you quickly find that beyond 200 yards the bottom falls out from underneath 450 BM. A 150 yard zero results in nearly a point blank hold out to 200 yards but ~25 inches of drop at 300 yards.

300 would be quite a stretch for the .450 BM, and it'd be the maximum I would want to push it to. I should have added that I'd be using it primarily at 50-100 yards. Outside of the 200 yard mark I could definitely see the .308 being more desirable beyond that.

 

[CraigC]

Very few big bores are easy 300yd cartridges.

 

[saiga308]

Very few big bores are easy 300yd cartridges.

they are upclose to the beast round and personal

 

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Yeah, I am sadly in the state of California and basically have given up on really getting into the AR platform, I got a mini 14 to cover my practical rifle needs and am now looking for something to do some thumping up to 300 yards realistically, and something fun to hand load for.

If you want a big bore for closer ranges, and are limited by your states regulations, then I think the GSR in 450 Bushmaster would be a neat rifle. Is the Ruger GSR California compliant with it's threaded barrel and brake?

This guy on youtube (LINK) is a really good at figuring drop and shooting his .458 socom at distances further than 300 yards, I've watched a few of his videos and it's pretty sweet seeing the bullet fall towards it's target. But he acknowledges that this takes some calculation and skill no doubt. Like @mcb has said I would think 200 yards is a more reasonable range for these slower moving big bores, not to say that one cannot become proficient enough to take longer shots.

 

[AyyDudee30]

If you want a big bore for closer ranges, and are limited by your states regulations, then I think the GSR in 450 Bushmaster would be a neat rifle. Is the Ruger GSR California compliant with it's threaded barrel and brake?

This guy on youtube (LINK) is a really good at figuring drop and shooting his .458 socom at distances further than 300 yards, I've watched a few of his videos and it's pretty sweet seeing the bullet fall towards it's target. But he acknowledges that this takes some calculation and skill no doubt. Like @mcb has said I would think 200 yards is a more reasonable range for these slower moving big bores, not to say that one cannot become proficient enough to take longer shots.

Yup, the threaded barrels on a manually operated rifles are still completely compliant. As far as I know they've only banned "flash hiders" by name so thread protectors and brakes are completely fine, and even then I believe the flash hiders are only banned on centerfire semi auto rifles of any type. .450 BM sounds like a fun cartridge to learn all the things that come with large diameter, heavy bullets, with the strong action and short barrel on the GSR I think it could be a great platform for a brush gun, and of course just a fun gun to shoot!

 

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It sounds like you've thought it through, now that I understand more about your situation. I think that the Ruger GSR in 450 Bushmaster will be a lot of fun for you! Be sure to let us know what you decide and what your impressions are if you go that route, I was intrigued by it as well.