Is it true that Ruger is going to be putting internal safety locks on the SP-101s and GP-100s? Have they done so already?
Ruger Internal Locks?
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As some markets now either require them or will likely require them in the near future, it's a good chance many handguns will soon have them in one style or another.
Don't like 'em ok, leave 'em unlocked and forget about it.
Don't like 'em ok, leave 'em unlocked and forget about it.
I just picked up a SP101 & there was no internal lock, mention of a lock, or key for a lock. That's a big plus to me.
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I can't help but think that the locks add a bit to the final price. It's also only a matter of time (if it hasn't happened already) that someone's going to die because they had the lock engaged, or the thing malfunctioned.
By the way, has anyone heard of any of these locks causing a malfunction?
By the way, has anyone heard of any of these locks causing a malfunction?
"Don't like 'em ok, leave 'em unlocked and forget about it."
Ah... No, not likely... It's a matter of principal.
I buy guns the way I want them. If some manufacturer doesn't see it that way I spend my money on something else. Unlocked does not mean disabled. Any lock I come across will be disabled if it isn't already. I have no intention of letting some gun-grabber's lawyer dictate what I should or shouldn't have.
You buy what you like and I'll do the same...
Ah... No, not likely... It's a matter of principal.
I buy guns the way I want them. If some manufacturer doesn't see it that way I spend my money on something else. Unlocked does not mean disabled. Any lock I come across will be disabled if it isn't already. I have no intention of letting some gun-grabber's lawyer dictate what I should or shouldn't have.
You buy what you like and I'll do the same...
Better get used to buying used guns then, because pretty soon I am betting you won't be able to buy a new gun without a lock. Politicians love feel good do nothing laws, and this is one. "If we save one child..." Only us gun lovers can argue against the locks, and truly we just don't like them. If one did stick and cause a gun lover to die that isn't exactly going to be a tragedy to most of them anyway. If we required any manner of personal responsibility we could likely save countless lives, but that wouldn't get any votes.
Oops - just saw your comment about disabling the lock. I will probably do the same, but I am sure that's going to ramp up the liability a bunch.
Oops - just saw your comment about disabling the lock. I will probably do the same, but I am sure that's going to ramp up the liability a bunch.
(Quote) Better get used to buying used guns then, because pretty soon I am betting you won't be able to buy a new gun without a lock. (Unquote)
I expect a lot of folks are going to be buying those used guns. I presume you have noticed that prices for the more popular models have been going up, and substantially so.
As one who has had occasion to disassemble and examine handguns running from before the Civil War to present, and been able to do it for over 60 years, the ones being made now from a quality point of view are at the bottom of the pack. In some cases the material is better, but the wormanship and quality control/inspection is a far cry from what it was. That in itself is enough to turn my attention to older guns, but in addition they aren't made to some lawyer's specifications.
I suspect that the outlook for more laws is better where I am, then where you are - but rest assured that if they do pass the laws you have in mind I won't be cut short. I don't need a lot of guns, just a few of the best ones...
I expect a lot of folks are going to be buying those used guns. I presume you have noticed that prices for the more popular models have been going up, and substantially so.
As one who has had occasion to disassemble and examine handguns running from before the Civil War to present, and been able to do it for over 60 years, the ones being made now from a quality point of view are at the bottom of the pack. In some cases the material is better, but the wormanship and quality control/inspection is a far cry from what it was. That in itself is enough to turn my attention to older guns, but in addition they aren't made to some lawyer's specifications.
I suspect that the outlook for more laws is better where I am, then where you are - but rest assured that if they do pass the laws you have in mind I won't be cut short. I don't need a lot of guns, just a few of the best ones...
Some of you guys are something else. I use to own a Taurus with a lock. I never set it and it never kept it from firing. Just like the guys that remove the crossbolt safety on lever actions. Its not like they are in the way. They don't automatically set so they are a pita. They are probally the same guys that complained there wasn't a manual safety on Glocks when they came out.
I own a Taurus with a lock too. Very decent workmanship by today's standards at least. The lock isn't a problem, and won't ever be.
I'm sure you can figure out why.
I'm sure you can figure out why.
If the cross bolt safety on my Marlin had been invisible I probably wouldn't have minded nearly as much. As it was... Thank you Mr. Ludwig for your cross bolt safety eliminator.
The best safety is between your ears, but the politicians are courting those with little between their ears.
The best safety is between your ears, but the politicians are courting those with little between their ears.
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The only guns I own now that had ILS were Remington 700's. And since Remington (unlike Ruger) will sell simple civilians any part they want, I simply replaced the rear bolt shrouds with non-J-lock versions.
The ILS is my one gripe with S&W wheelguns. But they are removable, though the allen head set screw I've used to replace them is a bit of an eyesore. At least the M&P auto's have no such abomination.
My 50th Year .357 Blackhawk has that lock, along with my Springfield 1911's.
SA has the name right, though..ILS =
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Before too long, new guns will probably ALL have some sort of built-in lock device.
SA has the name right, though..ILS =
Infernal
Locking
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Before too long, new guns will probably ALL have some sort of built-in lock device.
"Before too long, new guns will probably ALL have some sort of built-in lock device."
If enough people refuse to buy guns that have them the locks won't last long. There is no federal law that requires them, and the same is true of most states. The only exceptions I can think of offhand are California (of course) and Maryland.
If enough people refuse to buy guns that have them the locks won't last long. There is no federal law that requires them, and the same is true of most states. The only exceptions I can think of offhand are California (of course) and Maryland.
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