Panzerschwein
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Excuse me?You're looking for a teddy bear.
Excuse me?You're looking for a teddy bear.
You're looking for a teddy bear, a security blanket...you want a gun that gives you more of a sense of security. I do this also with a 15rnd magazine, I just acknowledge it for what it is. And I love it. There may be 2-3 perps, but there's 15+1 of me, and that does help me sleep better at night and while on the road.Excuse me?
9mm and .38cal are the same bullet.Its not really the gun its the cartridge right?
If you were comparing this to a hi-capacity nine that held 17+1 rounds or a full-sized 10mm pistol or something that would be one thing but you're comparing it to a 5-shot 38 spl revolver. So, IMO the question is really about the caliber and bullets available.
There are plenty of tests of the standard pressure 147gr Ranger "T" - RA9T, the 147gr Federal HST and other rounds out of short-barreled pistols that perform well in tests and should perform well in real-life situations.
Not really.9mm and .38cal are the same bullet.
I didn't say they were technicaly identical I said they were the same. Unless we're compairing like 22lr to a 44mag, all self defence calibers are the same. It doesn't make any difference at all if you go .38 or 9mm. Caliber wars are stupid.Not really.
9mm is a .355" or .346" bullet, whereas the .38 is a .357 or .358".*
9mm is generally also lighter, where the .38 can fire much heavier projectiles.
Bullet shape is also different, with .38 having a much wider range of bullet styles and shapes, where 9mm is pretty much limited to two, in different weights.
It's closer to say that the .380 and the 9mm are the same bullets, but even that's not entirely true. Those two are more closely related than the 9mm and .38spl.
*.356" and .358 are generally for the hard cast lead bullets, where as the .355 and .357 are plated/ jacketed.
Oh please, caliber wars are stupid. The balistics are the same and .009mm is nothing to get your panties in a bunch over. We're talking close range self defense with the smallest of small arms not interplanitery missle tragectory.If they're not technically the same, then they are not the same. USAF VET did a good job of clarifying the difference. The devil's in the details when it comes to ammunition.
str1
Shouldn't take but a trip or two to the range to get the Shield dialed in at 10-15 yards. My Shield is more accurate than my full sized M&P9.I have handled the small LC9 and it immediately struck me as very small, almost too small to be accurate in the 9mm +P cartridge so I did not purchase it. I purchased a S&W Shield instead and its holds one more cartridge with the extended magazine. The Shield is manageable but it is difficult to shoot over standard CCW distances. If you have large hands you may be only able to get two fingers on the LC9 when holding it. The Shield allows for a full grip just like a larger pistol with a trigger comparable to a Glock though a bit tough until broke in.
Oh just stop. Just....stop. Caliber wars are so stupid. What caliber you carry does not matter. At. All.Om
I'll try one more time to break it down for you. This is not about a "Caliber War", it's about your erroneous statement. Ballistically, the 9x19 and .38 special may be close with some bullets and loadings. That point is not in contention. Your statement, suggesting the bullets (projectiles) are the same is incorrect. A couple thousands inches is not a large difference, but it IS a difference. In your world it's likely unimportant, it can be very important to a reloader.
str1
I get to decide what I'm proud of, not you. Please take your trolling elsewhere.It's not now, nor ever was, a caliber war. Continuing to say it is such is pointless and infantile. You were wrong, too proud to admit it, and want to deflect it on everyone else as if we're waging a caliber war.
I'll reiterate, pointless and infantile.
Still not the same thing.
I get to decide what I'm proud of, not you. Please take your trolling elsewhere.
What caliber you carry doesn't matter.
Yes, they are all the same.
That doesn't mean they're identical, that means the difference between them is so small as to not matter. Unles one compairs the extremes of the scale, such as 22lr vs 454casual, or a .38cal in snubi vs 5.56mm NATO in an AR pistol, there is no meaningfull difference other than perhaps cost and wear. They are all the same.
Ahh, you believe forum membership = total experience. You must be new to the internet.The guy who has been here a few weeks, has under 50 posts, and tells people they'rd looking for a teddy bear is calling me a troll?
Carry what you like, practice often as that's what important. Caliber is not important.Actually, to me, it does matter.
That's ok. There is room for disagreement.I still disagree.
They are not identical, but they are the same.So you admit, that within different extremes, they are not the same?
Caliber does not matter.Better put, caliber does matter, at least in part.
Great, then stop talking about calibers. They don't matter. OP should shoot what he likes.This isn't a caliber war...
That much is obvious.I guess I have no idea what you're trying to even say.
Ahh, you believe forum membership = total experience. You must be new to the internet.
Please take your trolling elsewhere.