Ruger Mini-14 vs. remington 750 .308 for NY compliant survival rifle

[F1ST0]

Living in NY is great; mostly safe neighborhoods, good food, friendly people, and having to search for a neutered semi auto rifle to stay in compliant with the laws fabricated by people who know ABSOLUTELY nothing about guns.

The three rifles I've decided suitable for medium range engagements/defensive situations in a WROL/SHTF situation are the Ruger Mini-14 in .223, which will be outfitted with an EOTech XPS2 or a Leupold 1-6x24 || Or a Remington 750 in .308, which will probably end up being outfitted with a 3-9/4-12 scope.

I've also been drooling over this gun (LRB M14 NY compliant) http://www.lrbarms.com/images/831_Sporter.JPG, which is WAY out of my price range at $2,800

I was originally thinking about a Savage .308 Hog Hunter, but I decided I want a semi-automatic instead, since I would be stuck with a gap in applications of use between a scoped bolt-action and a Rem 870.

So I want to hear some guys thoughts out there since I have no experience with either of these rifles, although I have seen numerous videos on the mini-14, and I can surely get some trigger time on it since just about everyone in the country has one. But as for the 750, I never knew about it until I saw it on remington's website.

If I left anything out, tell me. And also, if you know of any other NY compliant semi-autos, let me know.

Also, I know about the .223 vs .308 debate, I can deal with either one; .223: less power, carry more of it, .308: Carry less of it, knock dudes on their butts when they get hit by it

thanks a lot

 

[dprice3844444]

there's also the rem 308 pump or the 7615

 

[Archaic Weapon]

I own various Ruger and Remingtons. I would put my old 742 Remington up against dang near anything. I would think that the Remington would be both more accurate and harder hitting, which would give it my vote.

 

[F1ST0]

Yeah I did notice the pump model, I'd rather have semi-auto though.

 

[F1ST0]

I own various Ruger and Remingtons. I would put my old 742 Remington up against dang near anything. I would think that the Remington would be both more accurate and harder hitting, which would give it my vote.

Thanks.
About the mini-14 accuracy, I have seen many videos that disprove the inaccuracy myths, for the newer models at least (with heavier barrel, and some with a accurizing device designed for the mini-14 called the accu strut). Guys get them to shoot sub MOA with a good scope at 100+ yds.

I would ask about the reliability/accuracy of your 742, but I think since then some things may have changed.

thanks for your help

 

[Archaic Weapon]

What are you planning to shoot through, and at what distance? Rule of thumb is that at 100yds, .223 hits like .308 at 300. .308 will got through barriers and such that the .223 won't, but the .223 will not shoot through into you next to next door neighbors house. The mini 14 is potentially upgradeable to larger magazines and such down the road, but I personally like the Remington more out of the box.

 

[Archaic Weapon]

So long as you rack the slide on a 742 like it was a government mule in its past life instead of like Cinderella in her glass slippers, you get along just fine. No disguising that sound, however. Go in hot, or prepare to be heard, but that is true of most guns.

At 100yds open sights(personal preference), I would match that 742 against anything except my 1873 Winchester in .45LC, which I simply have a high preference for general carry.

 

[F1ST0]

What are you planning to shoot through, and at what distance? Rule of thumb is that at 100yds, .223 hits like .308 at 300. .308 will got through barriers and such that the .223 won't, but the .223 will not shoot through into you next to next door neighbors house. The mini 14 is potentially upgradeable to larger magazines and such down the road, but I personally like the Remington more out of the box.


Where I live; suburban LI, I will probably expect engagements (in a WROL SHTF situation, which I pray never happens, but if I must) at under 250 yds, at most likely unarmored targets, not through any barriers. In a wooded area, probably around 50 yards, maybe through brush. In NY, we are limited to 10 round magazines. I will not be staying in one place, I will probably be moving out and about.

 

[Archaic Weapon]

In that case, I would probably go for the .223. It is a capable round, despite the fact that I am normally on the other side of the fence on that. It will not do as well against vehicle covered targets either, but you can carry more ammo, and 10 round magazines for it are more dependable than the Remington, from what I understand. It does kind of have that LOOK, though, which is something to consider up there.

Lesser recoil on a .223 will engage targets quicker usually, but will suffer from being less reliable in putting those targets down. If you are just thinking at under 250 yards, I would recommend trying to find a set of scope mounts that will let you still use the iron sights, if you are set on the scope. I would check to insure that it wouldn't make it too much more difficult to use the scope, otherwise I would get a normal set. If you have a lot of magazines, and pick the Remington, I would consider something like a reproduction M1 Garand bandoleer to easily grab and carry them.

 

[Archaic Weapon]

You know, from the prices I have seen, you could probably get the Savage Hog Gun and a Remington 870 for the price of either automatic.

 

[Archaic Weapon]

Or a Saiga in either caliber. Saiga is basically an Ak turned hunting rifle. I've heard good things about them. The rifles still seem to be hovering on the cheaper price range. Giving you options.

 

[Goosey]

Hmm, I would probably go Mini-14 or maybe even Mini-30. Or even a lever-action in .30-30 or .357.

 

[Art Eatman]

Regardless of scenarios and tactics, the deal, basically, is home defense with a rifle.

In such case, the Mini is as good as anything. Adequate cartridge, relatively light and handy, adequate accuracy for the anticipated target.

For plinking and pleasure, it's low recoil with relatively inexpensive ammo.

 

[_N4Z_]

My thoughts on a rifle for HD.. Reliable platform, that employs iron sights. Red dot or halo if you must, but no scopes. Scopes get bumped off zero, scopes typically will be an impediment if the HD situation happens in the dark.
JMO for HD.

 

[Certaindeaf]

I hope you have and know how to use a handgun. In your scenario I don't think you'd get two feet down the sidewalk toting that/a long gun in search of your brie and crumpets.. or "escape".

 

[F1ST0]

You know, from the prices I have seen, you could probably get the Savage Hog Gun and a Remington 870 for the price of either automatic.

Oh, I already have an 870.

 

[F1ST0]

I hope you have and know how to use a handgun. In your scenario I don't think you'd get two feet down the sidewalk toting that/a long gun in search of your brie and crumpets.. or "escape".

not old enough to carry a handgun yet. When it is my time, it would probably end up being a S&W M&P 45 mid size, or a 1911.
Because if I'm only allowed to have 10 rounds, those 10 rounds will be .45, otherwise it'd be a .40 or a 9mm.

 

[F1ST0]

Or a Saiga in either caliber. Saiga is basically an Ak turned hunting rifle. I've heard good things about them. The rifles still seem to be hovering on the cheaper price range. Giving you options.

thanks but no thanks, I don't like the idea of buying a altered version of a reputable battle implement to obey the laws of a bunch of ignorant... I'm gonna stop it there, an admin already PM'd me about bad mouthing. :|

 

[Archaic Weapon]

That helps explain your choices. I happen to agree with you about the Saiga, for the most part.

 

[scaatylobo]

Mini 30

I had a mini 14 and now a mini 30 [ and I live in NYS too ] and the Remington mentioned [ 742 in 30-06 ] is a semi auto,but I just got one and am selling it as its too finicky with mag feeding and recoil is more than I need.

Look at the NYSafe act online and they list all the guns that are 'compliant' and do not need to be registered,choose from that list.

 

[F1ST0]

I had a mini 14 and now a mini 30 [ and I live in NYS too ] and the Remington mentioned [ 742 in 30-06 ] is a semi auto,but I just got one and am selling it as its too finicky with mag feeding and recoil is more than I need.

How is the Mini-30? does it sling those 7.62x39 rounds accurately? reliably? That round does seem more attractive than the .223, but I've heard little about performance on the mini-30's part.

 

[Art Eatman]

The Mini-30 is as good as any for minute-of-cranium or better. As far as the cartridge, for the stated purpose, it's as good as any, just as is the .223.

 

[Archaic Weapon]

Same ballistics as a .30-30, in laymans terms.

 

[F1ST0]

well, thanks for all your help, guys. it's much appreciated. I'll probably end up going with a Ruger Mini-14 or 30.

Thank you New York for allowing me to choose from such a wide variety of defensive weapons.

 

[K1500]

FWIW, the Mini 30 has a rep for not running with most (but not all) of the steel cased rounds. The Mini 14 runs with steel just fine, for the most part. That may sway you away from a Mini 30 (it did me). Plus, with good bullets like the Barnes TSX, the .223 is probably just as effective as the 7.62x39.