Ruger New Model Vaquero v. New Model Blackhawk

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I have one New model Vaquero in .357 and it is full raced for cowboy games . The sights were corrected by the pistolsmith who built it but are only sighted in for .38 Cowboy loads if 150 grain bullet at 800 Fps out of it's 4 5/8" barrel. My serious shooting SA Rugers all have adjustable sights including the 3 screw .357 old model which along with the 50 year Blackhawk .357 have the same medium frame. . The larger calibers and the .30 Carbine are all the full size frame from the early Model .44 Mag Flattop thru the .44magnum Bisely .
I thought the New Vaquero would allow me into SASS competition classes for it's fixed sights, but now a days I am not so sure there is that distinction as I have not been competing for two years ! Anyway I like adjustable sights as I reload and enjoy working up a load. I want to be on target and not just good enough for cowboy silhouettes


SASS National Matches do not allow adjustable sights.

First CAS I went to, seen a guy with a pair of stainless, birdhead Vaqueroes in .327 Fed. I asked how he liked the birdhead grips. He sounded like salesman talking them up. Then he comments on "Blackhawks arent LEGAL IN SASS, they aren't authentic."
I replied, "really? But a stainless .327 Federal IS authentic."
He walked off.
 
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I thought the New Vaquero would allow me into SASS competition classes for it's fixed sights, but now a days I am not so sure there is that distinction as I have not been competing for two years !

Hopefully you realize that you need 2 revolvers, one rifle, and one shotgun to compete in SASS.


SASS National Matches do not allow adjustable sights.

That is incorrect. SASS has always allowed adjustable sights in certain categories.
 
[QUOTE="Driftwood Johnson, post: 12248121, member: That is incorrect. SASS has always allowed adjustable sights in certain categories.[/QUOTE]

Driftwood is right, as usual. The winner of the first End of Trail (the match pre-dates the formation of SASS) used a Blackhawk. They have always been legal. I know several shooters who use them.
 
Hopefully you realize that you need 2 revolvers, one rifle, and one shotgun to compete in SASS.



Got a real smooth 1897 12 ga Winchester
got a outside hammer TOZ 12 gauge 20" that has been a tank for me since 1977 , but too slow but I like it :)
USE a 26" Imp cyl and modified Ithaca Long Range 20 ga gun with no ejector of course cause its fast and very accurate with little recoil
Now the revolvers are more difficult ! I do have a "full race cowboy" New Vaquero in .357 , but the only other fixed sighted revolvers are a 5.5 " Cimmaron .45 and a 7.5" 80s Uberti "Hartford Model in 32-20 that shoots like a rifle.
Got a 1892 Winchester in 32-20 that the relined barrel shoots well , and a recent (couple years back) purchase of a Uberti Short rifle 1873 Cimmaron in .45 Colt
I gues to be a "Duelist " I need to buy another New Vaquero .357 4 5/8 to have matching pistols for "Duelist" ect. I'm looking for a decent priced one preferably Stainless.
 
How long is your barrel? If it is 6 inches or under you will not be able to get the center pin out without taking the ejector rod housing off.
You can remove the pin on a 7.5" barrel like my super Blackhawk but my 4 5/8" barrel Blackhawk Needs to have the ejector housing removed.
I can also get the pin out on my 6" Vaquerro.
 
How long is your barrel? If it is 6 inches or under you will not be able to get the center pin out without taking the ejector rod housing off.
You can remove the pin on a 7.5" barrel like my super Blackhawk but my 4 5/8" barrel Blackhawk Needs to have the ejector housing removed.
I can also get the pin out on my 6" Vaquerro.
My 4 5/8" Flat Top 44 Special has a pin that drops out easily. The large frame Flat Top in 41 Magnum with 6 1/2" barrel has a longer pin that will not come out, even though the housing is longer than the differences in cylinder length. The frame opening for the cylinder is about 1/8" longer on the large frame, measuring the inner length of the top strap.
 
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How long is your barrel? If it is 6 inches or under you will not be able to get the center pin out without taking the ejector rod housing off.
You can remove the pin on a 7.5" barrel like my super Blackhawk but my 4 5/8" barrel Blackhawk Needs to have the ejector housing removed.
I can also get the pin out on my 6" Vaquerro.

Howdy

I discussed this earlier. The New Model Blackhawk had a longer pin that could not be removed from the frame without also removing the ejector rod assembly.

This is an old Three Screw 44 Magnum, Flat Top Blackhawk that shipped in 1958. The Three Screw Blackhawks are the single action revolvers Ruger was making before the current New Models with the transfer bar.

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Here is the same revolver disassembled. Notice I did not have to remove the ejector housing to pull out the cylinder pin.

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This is my 45 Colt/45ACP New Model Blackhawk convertible that I bought brand-spanky new in 1975.

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Here it is disassembled. The cylinder pin is just a little bit longer than on the Three Screw Rugers. Notice the cylinder pin is still in position because I did not remove the ejector housing. Impossible to remove the pin without removing the ejector housing.

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When the ' original model' Vaquero came out in 1993 it was built on the same size frame as the New Model Blackhawk, and just like the Blackhawk the cylinder pin could not be removed without removing the ejector housing. I always suspected this was a conscious decision on Ruger's part, so the cylinder pin would not be accidentally lost in the field.

Here is my New Model Blackhawk and an 'original model' 45 Colt Vaquero. Both built on the same size frame, except the frame of the Vaquero has been rounded over on top to resemble a Colt SAA frame. Interestingly enough, when the 'original model' Vaquero came out they had a steel grip frame as opposed to the aluminum grip frame the Blackhawks always had. I realized this the first time I picked it up and noticed it weighed more than a Blackhawk.

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This pair of 'original model' Vaqueros have after market cylinder pins installed. These pins are short enough that they can be removed without removing the ejector housing.

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Ruger stopped making the 'original model' Vaquero in 2005 and replaced it with the New Vaquero. This is a pair of 357 Magnum New Vaqueros.

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The New Vaquero is built on a smaller frame than the New Model Blackhawks and 'original model' Vaqueros. The idea was to more closely mimic the Colt Single Action Army. This photo shows a 45 Colt New Vaquero at the top and a Colt SAA at the bottom. In addition to being smaller than the earlier revolvers, notice the hammer spur is shaped similar to the Colt hammer spur. Compare that to the hammer spurs of all the other Rugers. Just like with a Colt, the New Vaquero cannot be sighted unless the hammer is cocked. Different hammer styles became available later, but this was the hammer style when the New Vaquero was first introduced.

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Yes, the cylinder pin can be removed on a New Vaquero without removing the ejector housing. This is one of the 357 Mag New Vaqueros I pictured earlier. It came with an internal lock, which can be seen to the left of the grip frame. So now, if the cylinder pin latch is loose, and the cylinder pin works its way forward during recoil, the cylinder pin of a New Vaquero can jump out of the gun in recoil, just like a Colt. Trust me on this.

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At some point, Ruger did away with the internal lock. This is the 45 Colt New Vaquero, it has no internal lock.

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Note: I have been using the terms Three Screw, New Model, 'original model' Vaquero, and New Vaquero in this post. In Ruger Speak, ALL Ruger single action revolvers that have a transfer bar inside are New Models. This is as opposed to the Three Screws which had not transfer bar. So any Vaquero, 'original model' or New Vaquero is automatically a New Model revolver because it has a transfer bar inside. It is redundant to call the New Vaquero a New Model Vaquero. I have also been using the term 'original model' Vaquero, just like that, to name the earlier Vaqueros, as opposed to the New Vaquero. That is my own term, that I always use to define the earlier, large frame Vaqueros. In their infinite wisdom, when Ruger introduced the New Vaquero, they decided to call it that, which I have always thought was really dumb. Unlike how smart they were when they named their classic semi auto 22 pistols, the Mark II, Mark III, etc. How much smarter would it have been if they had called the newer, smaller Vaquero the Vaquero Mark II? Not Old West enough sounding I suppose. What are they going to do when they upgrade the New Vaquero? Call it the New Improved Vaquero?
 
On the large frame guns, only the Hunter, Maximum and Silhouette versions have the long ejector housing that allows the basepin to come completely out without removing the ejector.
 
SASS National Matches do not allow adjustable sights.

First CAS I went to, seen a guy with a pair of stainless, birdhead Vaqueroes in .327 Fed. I asked how he liked the birdhead grips. He sounded like salesman talking them up. Then he comments on "Blackhawks arent LEGAL IN SASS, they aren't authentic."
I replied, "really? But a stainless .327 Federal IS authentic."
He walked off.
They were probably 32 H&R Magnum. I don't know of a six shot single action in 327.
 
Maybe I got a strange one , but I just took out the cylinder pin out of my 4 5/8" barrel Blackhawk and managed to put it back.
 
Ruger made some 6 and 7 shot .327 Fed.
Don't see them come up for sale, often.
I doubt that, as someone who has followed 327 closely for years now and owned three guns in that caliber. I know of Lipsey's order for four sizes in the Single Seven, and that was it. Ruger shows them as distributor exclusives. They also show a Lipsey's exclusive in 32 H&R in the Single Six Bisley 6.5".
 
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