I have read that the loading lever on a Ruger Old Army could possibly break seating the .457 RB. Does anyone know for certain if the Triple P Loader is available for sale and if so, where? What would the price be if available? Is there any other good cylinder loading stand for sale that would work with the Ruger Old Army without having to buy any accessories for it?
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Whatley, I don't have the answers you seek. I can only offer MHO and thoughts on your concern.
I suppose the lever on any revolver could break if not used properly. Of the BP revolvers I own I would say that the ROA lever is least likely to bend or break. I've not read of any incident of an ROA lever bending. I have heard of some Italian revolvers that suffered this problem. Its hard for me to believe it happens based on my experience. Personally, I think it happens when a user does something he should not. Here's a few thoughts on what could be happening:
1. Too much powder. User trying to force ball in when not enough room is available.
2. Alloy too hard. User casted his own projectiles with an alloy too hard to swag down.
3. Conical cocked sideways. User attempting to load a conical and can't get it lined up right. Conical get cocked sideways and user attempts to force it down.
The lead on a 0.457 pure lead round ball is very soft. Pressing this RB into the cylinder is never going to bend the lever on an ROA.
I suppose the lever on any revolver could break if not used properly. Of the BP revolvers I own I would say that the ROA lever is least likely to bend or break. I've not read of any incident of an ROA lever bending. I have heard of some Italian revolvers that suffered this problem. Its hard for me to believe it happens based on my experience. Personally, I think it happens when a user does something he should not. Here's a few thoughts on what could be happening:
1. Too much powder. User trying to force ball in when not enough room is available.
2. Alloy too hard. User casted his own projectiles with an alloy too hard to swag down.
3. Conical cocked sideways. User attempting to load a conical and can't get it lined up right. Conical get cocked sideways and user attempts to force it down.
The lead on a 0.457 pure lead round ball is very soft. Pressing this RB into the cylinder is never going to bend the lever on an ROA.
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Prairie Dawg
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Naaaaaw..........................you aren't going to break or even bend one with pure lead balls. May be a different story if yer casting yer balls out of hard lead.
I like the convenience of cylinder loaders though.
I have two Powder inc loaders.
Only used one for the last several years.
Got a good deal on the second, but have not needed a back-up yet.
It's in the "catalog" section.
www.blackdawgecartridge.com/
Dick Dastardly at www.biglube.com makes a good one too
--Dawg
Naaaaaw..........................you aren't going to break or even bend one with pure lead balls. May be a different story if yer casting yer balls out of hard lead.
I like the convenience of cylinder loaders though.
I have two Powder inc loaders.
Only used one for the last several years.
Got a good deal on the second, but have not needed a back-up yet.
It's in the "catalog" section.
www.blackdawgecartridge.com/
Dick Dastardly at www.biglube.com makes a good one too
--Dawg
Don't trust the rent money to whoever told you that. I've never heard of an ROA lever breaking. Ever.
It is no longer available. You may find one on an auction site, but I've never seen nor heard of one. I believe the last list price was on the order of $90.
Prairie Dawg answered that very well.
arcticap
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I thought that I've heard about either a Ruger ram or lever getting bent before, but I can't say for sure.
However it was reported that under some circumstances the Ruger Old Army cylinder pin can get bent from ramming:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=472331&highlight=bent
I noticed that MidwayUSA sells the replacement ram, lever and cylinder pin, along with a lot of other ROA parts.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=113725
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=410300
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=181332
However it was reported that under some circumstances the Ruger Old Army cylinder pin can get bent from ramming:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=472331&highlight=bent
I noticed that MidwayUSA sells the replacement ram, lever and cylinder pin, along with a lot of other ROA parts.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=113725
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=410300
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=181332
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Curator
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While I have never bent the loading arm on My Ruger Old Army, I have had students bend both it and the cylinder pin in the process of loading. In both cases they were not paying attention to where the push rod was placed and were encountering the web inbetween chambers. I was able to straighten the parts with a little effort and get the guns back into service. Apparently the parts are somewhat soft, at least on mine.
MCgunner
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The load lever is beefy. Maybe on my .31 pocket remington, I could certainly believe that, not that a .457 round ball would fit under the rammer, but the ROA? Nah.
Eights
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My manual calls out .457 round balls of pure lead, and I have never had difficulty seating them. I had some .454 balls once, and seating was easy, and the balls jumped under mild loads. I quit using them because I was worried about chain fire.
My ROAs all have the 7.5" barrel. Maybe things are different with the short barreled, short lever version.
In my limited experience with the mechanical aspects of a variety of guns, things generally don't need excessive force to come together. That has definitely been the case with assembly, disassembly and loading of the ROA.
My ROAs all have the 7.5" barrel. Maybe things are different with the short barreled, short lever version.
In my limited experience with the mechanical aspects of a variety of guns, things generally don't need excessive force to come together. That has definitely been the case with assembly, disassembly and loading of the ROA.
fogg64
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I bent mine today but it was my fault. I did not lock the base pin in place just as AbitNutz mentioned (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5881226&postcount=4). Ordered a new one from midway.
fogg64
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This was my first outing with the ROA. I tried to straighten it but it broke. I'll have to wait til I get the new one before I see how it shoots.
I have this:
http://www.biglube.com/BulletMolds.aspx?ItemID=1302742a-9e12-41e5-881f-f99340c6d9e6
It works well and when you buy it, he actually sends it too you. I routinely use it because I tend to use bullets instead of balls. It's a nightmare to load bullets with the ram. The loader makes all that effortless. Since it takes zero time to take the cylinder out I almost never use the loading lever.
Using a loader is also easier on your hands as well.
http://www.biglube.com/BulletMolds.aspx?ItemID=1302742a-9e12-41e5-881f-f99340c6d9e6
It works well and when you buy it, he actually sends it too you. I routinely use it because I tend to use bullets instead of balls. It's a nightmare to load bullets with the ram. The loader makes all that effortless. Since it takes zero time to take the cylinder out I almost never use the loading lever.
Using a loader is also easier on your hands as well.
yes you can bend the cyl. base pin will reloading the cylinder, IF you forget to turn the screw that locks the base pin in so it wont pull out. know this cause I bought a used one that had a bent pin , had to buy new one ,the screw has a lobe on it and the base pin has a corrasponding groove .if screw lobe is not turned to be in base pin groove you will bend the cylinder pin
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