Ruger Security 9 owners...

[Cornhusker77]

I have the Security 9, and although I've only put a couple hundred rounds through it, it's been dependable and accurate so far.
My sister-in-law liked it so well she's asking her son to get her one for Christmas.
As to the slide stop, it's my opinion there's a difference between a slide stop and a slide release (kinda).
I don't shoot competition, so it doesn't matter to me if I have to slingshot it.
If I was shooting competition, I'd likely use something else.
For a sub $300 gun, this thing is fantastic.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

That's why it was so hard to operate. This is by design.

This is how nearly all auto-loaders work, and I'll assume the Ruger Security 9 would too, if you had a loaded mag in the gun.

An empty mag in the gun will make it very difficult to release the slide, by design. It is not a malfunction or problem with the gun. They all do that.

Ummmmm. No. he same trip to Cabela's I handled a Springfield XDE and a Beretta 92; neither of them did that. Both of them closed immediately and easily by pushing down on the slide release with my right thumb, and both of them had empty magazines in the guns.

 

[JTQ]

Ummmmm. No. he same trip to Cabela's I handled a Springfield XDE and a Beretta 92; neither of them did that. Both of them closed immediately and easily by pushing down on the slide release with my right thumb, and both of them had empty magazines in the guns.

Go back to the store, take the mag out of the Ruger and try dropping the slide with the lever. If it works just fine, with little effort, that's the way it will work with a loaded magazine.

 

[Tilos]

I'm pretty sure there was an empty magazine in there.

Well there in lies your answer...
I would not give up on this gun until you try dropping the slide WITHOUT a mag in it.
It will be much easier, and will become easier with use as others have stated.
You might get the dealer to allow you to put a dummy round or snap cap in a mag and try that too.

edit: Reshaping the mag follower on older Kahrs will allow the slide to be sling shotted.
Although Kahr won't admit to the change, newer Kahrs have a different follower profile allowing sling shotting.
It's all on the Kahr site: http://www.kahrtalk.com/

 

[Desert Heat]

I just tried the slide release on my new Security 9 sans magazine and it was near impossible to release the slide with the slide release button.

 

[rpenmanparker]

I just tried the slide release on my new Security 9 sans magazine and it was near impossible to release the slide with the slide release button.

Well, I guess that makes sense, eh. Considering the manufacturer says not to do it that way, small wonder.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I just tried the slide release on my new Security 9 sans magazine and it was near impossible to release the slide with the slide release button.

Thanks for trying that out for me. I really didn't want to go into the same store and ask the same guy to show me the same gun...again. =)

 

[Jeb Stuart]

Well, I guess that makes sense, eh. Considering the manufacturer says not to do it that way, small wonder.

Yes, that is true and for a reason. It is a stop, not a release



https://www.outdoorlife.com/5-things-to-know-about-slide-stops-pistols-most-misunderstood-control

 

[rpenmanparker]

Funny. I was watching “Blue Bloods” last night, and Jamie and his partner were in a gun fight with bad guys. Partner made a magazine change and I was pleased to see he slingshotted the slide to get it back into battery. Seriously, I had always thought it was a user’s choice thing until I looked it up and found two separate camps: releasing the lever and slingshotting. Very little crossover or either/or. Go figure!

 

[GunnyUSMC]

Well it really depends on the gun you use. On a 1911 it is called a slide release, because that ti what it is.
And just because someone does it in a TV show doesn’t make it right. How many times has Hollywood gotten things wrong when it comes to guns. I have seen shows where the shooter does a perfect reload with a double action revolver after firing ten or more rounds.
On some guns it’s just a slide stop. On others it also functions as a slide release.

 

[rpenmanparker]

Well it really depends on the gun you use. On a 1911 it is called a slide release, because that ti what it is.
And just because someone does it in a TV show doesn’t make it right. How many times has Hollywood gotten things wrong when it comes to guns. I have seen shows where the shooter does a perfect reload with a double action revolver after firing ten or more rounds.
On some guns it’s just a slide stop. On others it also functions as a slide release.

Sure. I hope you noticed my pre-fix to the TV show story:”Funny”. I really was just trying to lighten up the conversation a little.

But with regard to your comment that in reality it is gun-specific, I have no doubt about that. But I do believe that for the majority of shooters, it is shooter-specific. Most folks don’t care how the gun is supposed to be operated. They do it how they do it on every gun to the extent possible. They might bitch and moan about how hard the release is to operate, but would never consider slingshotting. Or vice-versa. At least that is the message in this thread.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Sure. I hope you noticed my pre-fix to the TV show story:”Funny”. I really was just trying to lighten up the conversation a little.

But with regard to your comment that in reality it is gun-specific, I have no doubt about that. But I do believe that for the majority of shooters, it is shooter-specific. Most folks don’t care how the gun is supposed to be operated. They do it how they do it on every gun to the extent possible. They might bitch and moan about how hard the release is to operate, but would never consider slingshotting. Or vice-versa. At least that is the message in this thread.

I think you're totally spot on here, and I'm the perfect example of that. I don't have a lot of auto-loader experience, but I want to, and feel I should be able to, tread the slide stop/release mechanism like a release. (In large part because that's all the experience I have and that's what I was trained.) I'm not going to "slingshot" it. (This current discussion is the first time I've ever even heard of slingshotting.)

 

[rpenmanparker]

I think you're totally spot on here, and I'm the perfect example of that. I don't have a lot of auto-loader experience, but I want to, and feel I should be able to, tread the slide stop/release mechanism like a release. (In large part because that's all the experience I have and that's what I was trained.) I'm not going to "slingshot" it. (This current discussion is the first time I've ever even heard of slingshotting.)

Aka racking.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Aka racking.

As I understand it, "racking" means to load a loaded magazine into a gun with the action closed, and then pulling the slide back and releasing it to close the action on a loaded chamber. The term could also be applied to loading the chamber on a pump-action shotgun. SO, in that narrative, "racking" is not the same as "slingshotting."

 

[rpenmanparker]

As I understand it, "racking" means to load a loaded magazine into a gun with the action closed, and then pulling the slide back and releasing it to close the action on a loaded chamber. The term could also be applied to loading the chamber on a pump-action shotgun. SO, in that narrative, "racking" is not the same as "slingshotting."

My belief is that racking is what you do with the slide. Pulling it back and letting it go. The magazine placement is irrelevant. Whether or not a bullet is chambered is irrelevant. The slide is still racked.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

My belief is that racking is what you do with the slide. Pulling it back and letting it go. The magazine placement is irrelevant. Whether or not a bullet is chambered is irrelevant. The slide is still racked.

ok

 

[Elkins45]

Kahn says to use the slide stop release letter-go-thingie-button to chamber a new round after a mag change. I carry a Kahr so that's what I do. I also do it with my CZ and my Sig because they have nice big buttons. The Sig is even conveniently located where you can use your thumb to release it. The only gun I slingshot is the GLock because it has that dinky little button. But I don't shoot Glocks very much.

 

[rpenmanparker]

I just had an heretical thought. What if it doesn’t matter which way you do it? Nah. Unpossible! We are required to keep up this discussion until everyone agrees on the one true method. Carry on.

 

[mgmorden]

I just had an heretical thought. What if it doesn’t matter which way you do it? Nah. Unpossible! We are required to keep up this discussion until everyone agrees on the one true method. Carry on.

Well, everyone can do as they wish, it's just a suggestion, but if you train yourself to drop the slide with the slide stop, as evidence by the original poster, you're going to be stumped when you encounter a gun that doesn't work that way. Slingshotting will nearly always work, so if your'e use to that, you never have to be bumfuzzled.

Heck take the CZ-52: the slide stop is hidden with no externally accessible lever. The ONLY way (short of buying and installing an after-market slide-stop) to recharge it after a reload is to slingshot. And that design is half a century old. It's not a new idea.

Is it that serious of an issue? Nah, not really. But discussing trivial (and occasionally non-trivial) issues is what internet forums are for .

 

[paulsj]

I just tried the slide release on my new Security 9 sans magazine and it was near impossible to release the slide with the slide release button.

Eh for less than $300 one can get used to a lot in this product category. The only two things I didn't like about old LCP I used to own the slide did not stay back after last round fired and carbon steel slide rusted easily. For few hundred this was acceptable.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I just had an heretical thought. What if it doesn’t matter which way you do it? Nah. Unpossible! We are required to keep up this discussion until everyone agrees on the one true method. Carry on.

That's why my last response to your previous post was a simple "ok."

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Well, everyone can do as they wish, it's just a suggestion, but if you train yourself to drop the slide with the slide stop, as evidence by the original poster, you're going to be stumped when you encounter a gun that doesn't work that way.

Exactly. I thought all auto-loaders worked that way. I appreciate the folks here setting me straight.

Is it that serious of an issue?

For me, it is.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Eh for less than $300 one can get used to a lot in this product category.

I don't disagree with your premise, but I also feel like one has to draw the line somewhere. This particular function is where I draw the line. Another example is the Beretta 92S that classicfirearms and aim surplus are selling for about $300. At that price, I could get use to the slightly different safety/decocker and the rounded trigger guard. I can't accept the heel button magazine release. At any price.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

PS: I appreciate all the input. This has taught me another lesson: don't buy any gun online without having thoroughly gone over it in person first. I would have been very upset to have bought this gun and then learned about this issue. At this point, I'm afraid to order a gun sigh unseen because what if that gun also requires being slingshotted?

 

[rpenmanparker]

That's why my last response to your previous post was a simple "ok."

I know. I just wanted to have a little fun.