Ruger SR1911 Commander

[WVsig]

No, he's not required to answer that question to get help. He wants something different, if it upsets you that he won't answer your interrogation, move along. I believe he just wants one, let it go. And the comments about casting are outdated. Browning hipowers with cast frames are much stronger than the forged steel ones. Casting is fine if the process used is a good one, and Ruger does a great job at it

Yup the OP bought one. If he just wanted one and wasn’t really looking for reasonable justification for doing it why post the question? I am not upset in anyway I just think it is odd to ask a question you already have r made up your mind on. IMHO the Ruger isn’t much if an upgrade.

The fit, finish, and parts quality is not any higher on the Ruger than it is one the Tisas. The main difference in the price is the cost of the labor used to make it and its country of origin. My line of questioning was asking trying to determine if there was some feature about Tisas that the OP desired making the Ruger more appealing. Sometimes changing a part or feature is a better way to go then trading in a gun at a loss to buy a new one. In the end he bought what he wanted and he is happy. Seems like the OP was not looking for info just encouragement and a pat on the back once the purchase was made. Nothing wrong wit that we have all been there done that.

As for casting versus forged you’re right it’s not a big deal but it’s a point of comparison. It is a difference between the construction of a Ruger and other 1911s. I did not say it couldn't work. The one place were casting really does not hold up on the 1911 is the slide. That is where all of really wear and tear happens on a 1911. I prefer properly forged slides. I also personally prefer forged BHPs over cast ones for a lot of reasons. The frame dimensions are better. You don't have a FPS and only the frame is cast. Again the slide where most of the wear and tear occurs in forged. The BHP frame was changed to accommodate the 40 S&W round which warped the rails on the forged frames. FN could have made the frame from forgings but choose to use casting because it was cheaper to achieve the necessary hardness. Which is why Ruger uses casting. They do it because it lowers their cost. They also do it very well.

 

[R_P_K]

Yup the OP bought one. If he just wanted one and wasn’t really looking for reasonable justification for doing it why post the question? I am not upset in anyway I just think it is odd to ask a question you already have r made up your mind on. IMHO the Ruger isn’t much if an upgrade.

The fit, finish, and parts quality is not any higher on the Ruger than it is one the Tisas. The main difference in the price is the cost of the labor used to make it and its country of origin. My line of questioning was asking trying to determine if there was some feature about Tisas that the OP desired making the Ruger more appealing. Sometimes changing a part or feature is a better way to go then trading in a gun at a loss to buy a new one. In the end he bought what he wanted and he is happy. Seems like the OP was not looking for info just encouragement and a pat on the back once the purchase was made. Nothing wrong wit that we have all been there done that.

As for casting versus forged you’re right it’s not a big deal but it’s a point of comparison. It is a difference between the construction of a Ruger and other 1911s. I did not say it couldn't work. The one place were casting really does not hold up on the 1911 is the slide. That is where all of really wear and tear happens on a 1911. I prefer properly forged slides. I also personally prefer forged BHPs over cast ones for a lot of reasons. The frame dimensions are better. You don't have a FPS and only the frame is cast. Again the slide where most of the wear and tear occurs in forged. The BHP frame was changed to accommodate the 40 S&W round which warped the rails on the forged frames. FN could have made the frame from forgings but choose to use casting because it was cheaper to achieve the necessary hardness. Which is why Ruger uses casting. They do it because it lowers their cost. They also do it very well.

I've read the frames are cast and the slide is milled from stainless steel

 

[wmgeorge]

Yup the OP bought one. If he just wanted one and wasn’t really looking for reasonable justification for doing it why post the question? I am not upset in anyway I just think it is odd to ask a question you already have r made up your mind on. IMHO the Ruger isn’t much if an upgrade.
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IF you read the Thread you will see I did not Buy it until today 2 pm. I wanted one and asked questions (posted Tuesday today is Thursday) you can Read the posts for the reason why. I do not need to justify to you my purchase but if you set the Tisas along side the Ruger and can't see the difference then your not seeing correctly.

FYI This is what I had : AimSurplus, LLC What I got: Ruger® SR1911® Commander-Style Centerfire Pistol Model 6702

 

[citizenconn]

IF you read the Thread you will see I did not Buy it until today 2 pm. I wanted one and asked questions (posted Tuesday today is Thursday) you can Read the posts for the reason why. I do not need to justify to you my purchase but if you set the Tisas along side the Ruger and can't see the difference then your not seeing correctly.

FYI This is what I had : AimSurplus, LLC What I got: Ruger® SR1911® Commander-Style Centerfire Pistol Model 6702

As long as you are satisfied, that's all that matters. Everything else is just noise. Sing along...

 

[Skylerbone]

Congratulations on your new pistol! I’ve been meaning to branch out my 1911 collection as well, perhaps with a Commander, might even try a different caliber. Throw some pics our way if you will and enjoy it!

 

[wmgeorge]

Pictures off the websites...
What I had in a 45 ACP Tisas

and the SR1911 Commander I purchased.

 

[SDGlock23]

Ruger makes a good 1911, seems similar to Springfield in terms of quality, both are better than Kimber.

 

[WVsig]

Pictures off the websites...
View attachment 1091262 What I had in a 45 ACP Tisas

and the SR1911 Commander I purchased.
View attachment 1091263

See was that hard? You basically had a 1911A1 GI gun and wanted a more modern 1911 with a beavertail, better safety and better sights. Make sense. IMHO $900 is too much for a Ruger 1911. At best it is a $800 OTD gun in todays world. In a normal buying world it is a $700 OTD gun. Either way enjoy your mass production level 1911.

I would have kept the Tisas and added this gun over the Ruger. They can be had for $500 if I wanted a 1911 of this type. 2 for one. Clearly YMMV

 

[wmgeorge]

Ruger makes a good 1911, seems similar to Springfield in terms of quality, both are better than Kimber.

I think so too, like I said I've owned one in the past and loved it. Took my reloads just fine and was accurate. Got a very good deal from my favorite LGS even as MSL is over $1000 and they gave me a lot for my Tisas. I did shopping online and with every dealer within a 100 mile radius this was the best deal. Very happy and now to get out to the range when it cools down a bit.

BTW I did not know the Tisas were not mass produced but hand crafted.

 

[Spats McGee]

I'm in a spot where I don't really need any other guns. . . OK, maybe one or two. But I've been meaning to get a Ruger 1911 for years. It may be time for me to start saving my pennies for one.

 

[WVsig]

I think so too, like I said I've owned one in the past and loved it. Took my reloads just fine and was accurate. Got a very good deal from my favorite LGS even as MSL is over $1000 and they gave me a lot for my Tisas. I did shopping online and with every dealer within a 100 mile radius this was the best deal. Very happy and now to get out to the range when it cools down a bit.

BTW I did not know the Tisas were not mass produced but hand crafted.

They are mass produced built to a price point just like the Ruger.

 

[WVsig]

I think so too, like I said I've owned one in the past and loved it. Took my reloads just fine and was accurate. Got a very good deal from my favorite LGS even as MSL is over $1000 and they gave me a lot for my Tisas. I did shopping online and with every dealer within a 100 mile radius this was the best deal. Very happy and now to get out to the range when it cools down a bit.

BTW I did not know the Tisas were not mass produced but hand crafted.

Tell us how it shoots.

 

[wmgeorge]

I'm in a spot where I don't really need any other guns. . . OK, maybe one or two. But I've been meaning to get a Ruger 1911 for years. It may be time for me to start saving my pennies for one.

Spats, No one Needs a new gun but I am at a point in life, IF I want one I will purchase and not on my credit card either! Ruger for the most makes good stuff and sure its higher priced than the Imports... It employ's American workers and needs to put up with OHSA and the rest of the BS.

Some say Mass produced at a price point, then tell me what is not?? Sure you can spend $4000 for a 1911, do you own one?

 

[Spats McGee]

Spats, No one Needs a new gun but I am at a point in life, IF I want one I will purchase and not on my credit card either! Ruger for the most makes good stuff and sure its higher priced than the Imports... It employees American workers and needs to put up with OHSA and the rest of the BS.

I'm at a point in my life where I'm really trying not to accumulate too much stuff that I don't actually use. It just clutters my life. That said, I also have a bit of a soft spot for: (a) Rugers; and (b) 1911s.

Some say Mass produced at a price point, then tell me what is not?? Sure you can spend $4000 for a 1911, do you own one?

Do I own a 1911? Yes. Do I own a $4K 1911? No, and I probably never will.

 

[WVsig]

Spats, No one Needs a new gun but I am at a point in life, IF I want one I will purchase and not on my credit card either! Ruger for the most makes good stuff and sure its higher priced than the Imports... It employ's American workers and needs to put up with OHSA and the rest of the BS.

Some say Mass produced at a price point, then tell me what is not?? Sure you can spend $4000 for a 1911, do you own one?

Yup I said mass produced to meet a price point which is just stating the facts.

As for spending $4000 on a 1911 I do own one... in fact I own several. I own 1911s ranging from $300 to $4,000+. They all have their merits and a roll to play in the collection.

 

[JDeere]

Glad you found the pistol you were after. You know in almost all threads where someone ask about different pistols folks almost always say what they own is the best. Sometimes you will get subjective answers...Enjoy the pistol I think you will find you like it...

 

[wmgeorge]

Glad you found the pistol you were after. You know in almost all threads where someone ask about different pistols folks almost always say what they own is the best. Sometimes you will get subjective answers...Enjoy the pistol I think you will find you like it...

And thanks to the Internet you can hide behind a fake (or no) profile, copy and paste pictures from any post and be anything or anybody you want... even an expert. and really be just the fat kid in moms basement!

I got what I wanted and are happy. Thanks for posting.

 

[WVsig]

And thanks to the Internet you can hide behind a fake (or no) profile, copy and paste pictures from any post and be anything or anybody you want... even an expert. and really be just the fat kid in moms basement!

I got what I wanted and are happy. Thanks for posting.

LOL now that is funny. Sometimes on the internet people choose to ignore quantity advice and sincere attempts to help from people with way more experience and knowledge because their ego gets in the way. Maybe next time you ask for help put your ego aside and recognize that instead of making false accusations about peoples legitimacy.

Go on over to a 1911 focused board like 1911Addicts and then question the validity of my statements. You might be surprised to find there are lots of people who know a lot about the 1911 platform then you do. Anyone who knows me knows I am 1911 and BHP guy who does not make false claims about what they own or their experiences.

Again enjoy your Ruger I hope it serves you well.

 

[wmgeorge]

So the Fat Kid is still trolling and will keep posting...

 

[WVsig]

So the Fat Kid is still posting...

At this point you are only making it worse. I am sure the mods will shut this one down soon enough. All too often when someone has nothing of substance to say they resort to childish ad hominem attacks. It shows you don't have anything to back up your statements. This entire thread makes no sense in that you asked for advice but you really didn't want advice. You wanted validation. You wanted or needed people to tell you that you were doing the right thing. You then attempted to hide that fact stating you are your own man who can buy what you want which seems in contrast to your need for validation. My intent of my initial posts where attempts to help. Clearly they were not taken that way and you for some reason took offense because I did not state that the Ruger is a awesome upgrade money well spent.

First you attempt to say I don't actually own or have knowledge of the 1911s I am talkin about. Then you call me a kid in my basement. Now I am fat. I am neither fat nor a kid. I will put my 1911 knowledge, collection and reputation up against yours any day of the week. Sorry you don't like the truth about the Ruger being at best lower end mid tier 1911 because that is what it is. It is barely a step up from the most basic 1911s on the market. They are assembled out of a bin of parts on an assembly line with ZERO hand fitting. All the parts are manufacture so they are 100% drop in on the assembly line. They slap them together as fast as they can and send them down the line. The idea that you are upgrading to some sort of fitted gun is pure ignorance on your part. They are mass produced to meet a barely above entry level price point. They put enough pretty parts on them ala Kimber so people perceive them as better or upgraded when in reality they are not. Now none of that makes them bad. It simply makes them what they are. I am glad there are 1911s at all different price points so people at all income levels can get one.

In the world of 1911s everything is pretty much the same until you step up beyond the production level guns of SA, Ruger, Tisas, RIA and even Colt. The real step up beyond cosmetics and where they are made is when you get to the Colt Custom shop, SA custom shop and Dan Wesson. These are still production guns but they get a little more attention then the avg and are made with higher quality parts. All forged, tooled steel etc... Dan Wesson is out of the box better than your Ruger in just about every way expect for price point. These are $1500-$2500+ guns. From there you move to semi-custom guns like Wilson, GI, Nighthawk, ACW. Les Baer etc....

From there the sky is the limit. You are wading around in the shallow end of the pool and trying to put down someone who does not. Sometimes you simply have to understand you are out of your depth. I will end with a pic of one of my non existent 1911s which I pulled off the internet.... LMAO #colt #donwilliams #actionworks #craigspegel #stanchen etc.....

 

[9mmepiphany]

Well, his thread didn't even go 2 pages or 50 post before degenerating into disparaging personal comments. I guess it's time to put this one to bed

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