ColtPythonElite
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I'd rather have a used Glock than a new Ruger centerfire semi-auto.
Rugr SR9C VS Glock 19
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Hangingrock
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To praise one diminishes the other usually applies when making a comparison. General marketplace acceptance, law enforcement usage, military adoption, and after market accessories are indicators of a successful product.
DenaliPark
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Excuse me, lower tier means just that, lower tier, Ruger centerfire pistols are in the exact same quality class as are those offerings from Taurus, Bersa, Charter Arms, Rossi, and others... They are not in the class of Glock, HK, Sig, Beretta, or S&W who happen to be top tier producers.
Get it now? The OP penned a thread titled SR9C v Glock 19, it's no contest, it was a first round knock-out.
M2 Carbine
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I have the SR9C and have run a lot of trouble free ammo through it. It's fast becoming a favorite gun (and I have a LOT of guns and a home range to shoot them a LOT).
A friend gave me a G17 and G26. I kept the guns for a while and shot them a good bit. I tried to like them because they were a gift from a friend. I disliked them so much I gave them back. I have shot the friend's G19 a fair amount. I dislike the G19 less than the G26 and G17 but still wouldn't have one for free. My friend calls his Glocks, "Bricks".
I bought the Ruger LC9, the SR9C's little brother, on impulse. In 8 days I put over a thousand trouble free rounds through it. It now has about 1,700 trouble free rounds.
I liked the LC9 so much I bought two.
When I saw the SR9C I thought I'd give it a try since the LC9 turned out to be a keeper. From the box it's been trouble free. I didn't bother to keep a round count but I'd guess the gun has well over a thousand rounds now.
Good gun. I may try out the full size SR9.
verdun59
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You've already sold me, but could you explain it one more time. Make it a little bit simpler and maybe everybody will get it, something along the lines of :
Glock good
everything else bad.
Glock good
everything else bad.
para38super
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Finally someone actually gives a decent review. Thanks.I have the SR9C and have run a lot of trouble free ammo through it. It's fast becoming a favorite gun (and I have a LOT of guns and a home range to shoot them a LOT).
A friend gave me a G17 and G26. I kept the guns for a while and shot them a good bit. I tried to like them because they were a gift from a friend. I disliked them so much I gave them back. I have shot the friend's G19 a fair amount. I dislike the G19 less than the G26 and G17 but still wouldn't have one for free. My friend calls his Glocks, "Bricks".
I bought the Ruger LC9, the SR9C's little brother, on impulse. In 8 days I put over a thousand trouble free rounds through it. It now has about 1,700 trouble free rounds.
I liked the LC9 so much I bought two.
When I saw the SR9C I thought I'd give it a try since the LC9 turned out to be a keeper. From the box it's been trouble free. I didn't bother to keep a round count but I'd guess the gun has well over a thousand rounds now.
Good gun. I may try out the full size SR9.
I have fired both and both feel good to me. The major debate is if Ruger Sr9c is up to par with the Glock in reliability and durability.
By the way, Ruger haters, I like Ruger's, my Mini 14 is my favorite rifle and will be getting a Ruger 10/22 in the next couple weeks.
Hanzo581
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DenaliPark also believes because 85% of police used the Ford Crown Victory it is the best car in the world.
verdun59
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Hee Hee
DenaliPark
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Essentially what you've brought as your argument is "nah nah nah nah!" Now you've wandered off into the hyper-silly, but to use your auto analogy, comparing a Ruger with a Glock is like comparing a Yugo to a Mustang, or a Pinto to a Corvette...
They did a recall and fixed them
Certain Glock Gen 4s have had numerous quality issues as well. Glock is now sending out parts to fix those too.
New products even new models have issues...that is a fact of life.
Buy your gun, shoot the heck out of it, and if it has a problem, have it sent back to be fixed....Glock or Ruger.
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Do some research into how Glock got that market share. They went to big depts & agencies, and made them offers they couldn't refuse.
Comparing Ruger to Hi Point is just foolish.
Massad Ayoob liked them. The Wisconsin State Police used to issue them. They're approved for duty carry as a primary or backup personal weapon by most LE agencies in the US, while Taurus is not. Ruger's primary criticism has always been that their pistols are bulky and / or heavy, not that they lack quality. The P345 and SR series are changing the bulky / heavy perception.
Where did you get this info on Ruger's production cost vs. Glock's production cost?
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jahwarrior
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i carry a 1911 daily. i don't care for polymer double stack guns, and i have no loyalties to eithe Glock or Ruger, although i am in love with Ruger's revolvers. that said, i think the Glock is the better choice, simply because it's proven. i had one for awhile, then sold it, only because i was short on cash, and it was easier topart with it than any of my 1911s. but, i'll probably end up buying another, because every home should have at least one Glock in it.
gee, I have never had to take my SR9 apart to count the parts..lol.... after around 1200 rounds all it does is shoot with no problems.
rbernie
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My range SR9 and SR40 have seen 200rds of cast reloads per week through each of them, week after week, for 3-4 months now. I've broken them down to clean them once, and have yet to really flush out the bottom end. So far, I've had not a single malfunction in the SR9 and only reload-related issues with the SR40 (bad primer/upside down primer).
I don't know how they will last over decades of this sort of use, but so far they are well into the four-digit round count (somewhere between 2500 and 4000 rounds each) with no mechanical issues of any kind.
verdun59
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Good morning, I see the beat goes on from less parts to torture tests. You know I've always sort of wondered about the majority of folks on this forum as to how many of you all keep your gun in a block of ice, or a pot of boiling water, or out on/in your driveway when you bring your steamroller home for the day, or have your spouse or friend throw your gun down to you from the rooftop when you need it, or maybe your have to go out back and dig it up if you can remember where you last buried it. Somehow I just don't get it for the average person, but I guess I'm just out of the loop.
By the way if I'm not mistaken I believe a zip gun has less parts than a Glock, that makes it a better deal doesn't it ?
By the way if I'm not mistaken I believe a zip gun has less parts than a Glock, that makes it a better deal doesn't it ?
Hanzo581
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No one is saying Glocks are not reliable pistols. It's pretty much a given that due to their reliability and ease of use they are a hit with Police departments. But to think that they are the end all be all pistols is foolish. I understand you are passionate about your brand, I get it. But unless you own the SR9c and have shot it a good amount you shouldn't slam it for quality.
It is true when the SR9 (full size) first came out they did have issues, but Glock Gen4's weren't exactly perfect either. They have since fixed the SR9 issues, and the SR9c is further improved and is a damn fine pistol, and to compare it to hi-point shows your complete lack of knowledge on the subject and you are just regurgitating info you have heard from other Glock fanboys online.
Do i get it?I get that you dont like Ruger which is fine.But a fan of ruger guns will like there product just as much as glockfantatics will like theres.so your statement that only ruger fans will like ruger guns just doesnt make sense.If someone only had $300-$400 to spend on a quality 9mm then IMHO the ruger P95 makes the most amount of sense without sacrificing any reliability even if they never were a fan(or even aware) of ruger to begin with.As far as the SR9 i dont have any experience shooting this gun othere than what i hear which seems to be pretty favorable.Which would i chose?probably the glock but NOT because the majority of LEO use it.Theres several guns including issues with the glock gen4 that there still ironing out so your arguement that the SR ruger isnt as reliable might only pertain to the begining run of them and not a fair assesment of there current product.I noticed you quickly went from glock to glock,sig,hk,etc...The topic was glock vs ruger not ruger vs everyone everyone else.If were talking best compact 9mm im sure there would be many other choices of "upper tier" guns that might be better than glock.
To the OP:Try both guns and which ever one feels better than thats the one I would get.Ruger guns just like glocks are good guns otherwise people wouldnt be buying them.
JR24
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If you've wandered these forums enough you'll realize that certain posters just hate Ruger and spew that hate anytime threads like these come up. I personally have owned 3 Ruger autos, put thousands of rounds through all of em and love em all.
Now, when it came time to move from .45 to 9mm for carry, like the OP was suggesting; I also looked at the Glock 19, XD9, M&P 9c and Ruger 9c. I tried em all, ended up buying the Ruger and sold my XD.
Why did I pick the Ruger over the Glock? Feel. The only 19's I could find at the time were Gen 3 and they just feel awful in my hand, and coming from draw they always pointed high. Ruger felt better, I like the trigger better, done deal for me. Plus, unlike many others I LIKE the manual saftey, and its location is right where I would expect it compared to my 1911.
I've got almost 2,500 trouble free through my SR9c now (which is no stress test I know) and love it more each time I hit the range. Carries like a dream on me too. I guess the suggestion stands to try to grab em all and see what you like best in function, form and shooting, its the only real way to know.
As for the baseless "2nd tier" crap... well I shoot and carry my Ruger over my Sigs and 1911, I also looked at a few HK compacts too... yeah, still went with the Ruger, and price was NOT the consideration.
Your mileage, as usual, will vary.
Now, when it came time to move from .45 to 9mm for carry, like the OP was suggesting; I also looked at the Glock 19, XD9, M&P 9c and Ruger 9c. I tried em all, ended up buying the Ruger and sold my XD.
Why did I pick the Ruger over the Glock? Feel. The only 19's I could find at the time were Gen 3 and they just feel awful in my hand, and coming from draw they always pointed high. Ruger felt better, I like the trigger better, done deal for me. Plus, unlike many others I LIKE the manual saftey, and its location is right where I would expect it compared to my 1911.
I've got almost 2,500 trouble free through my SR9c now (which is no stress test I know) and love it more each time I hit the range. Carries like a dream on me too. I guess the suggestion stands to try to grab em all and see what you like best in function, form and shooting, its the only real way to know.
As for the baseless "2nd tier" crap... well I shoot and carry my Ruger over my Sigs and 1911, I also looked at a few HK compacts too... yeah, still went with the Ruger, and price was NOT the consideration.
Your mileage, as usual, will vary.
JR24
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Looking back at the OP's questions. I've never put 1000-2000 through my SR9c at a time, but my shooting blocks were usually 400-600 rounds at a time. Never a problem with the Ruger.
I use primarily Remington UMC 115, 124, 147 FMJ (whatever the local store has) and some WWB 115 FMJ. Also while testing carry ammo I put Golden Saber 124 and 147 FMJ, as well as Speer Gold Dot 124 +P JHP through it, no problems there either.
I use primarily Remington UMC 115, 124, 147 FMJ (whatever the local store has) and some WWB 115 FMJ. Also while testing carry ammo I put Golden Saber 124 and 147 FMJ, as well as Speer Gold Dot 124 +P JHP through it, no problems there either.
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I do not consider Ruger as lower tier either.
I have a natural distrust however of new models as introduced by any gun company. And it would appear that some gun companies like to use the customer as the beta testers for the firearms.
Hence, I would rather wait a while and let others test new designs while i stick with tried and proven designs. And everyone is liable to have a different definition of tried and proven.
I will be keeping my vaquero, P89, MII, and 77 bolts.
as far as the SR9C, time will tell. For some, it will be a short wait. For me, I will wait a tad longer. I was initially very impressed with this weapon, but there has been some reported issues. That should fade with more time.
I have a natural distrust however of new models as introduced by any gun company. And it would appear that some gun companies like to use the customer as the beta testers for the firearms.
Hence, I would rather wait a while and let others test new designs while i stick with tried and proven designs. And everyone is liable to have a different definition of tried and proven.
I will be keeping my vaquero, P89, MII, and 77 bolts.
as far as the SR9C, time will tell. For some, it will be a short wait. For me, I will wait a tad longer. I was initially very impressed with this weapon, but there has been some reported issues. That should fade with more time.
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Wow... I just started spending time on THR. Up until now, I thought the childish flame wars / pissing matches of early internet forums were largely a thing of the past. It's incredibly painful to read through ridiculous statements like "Ruger is second tier" and "Glock owns 85% of the LEO market", "nanny nanny boo boo", dtc. :banghead: criminy
I will solve that and skip by those in the future.
The SR9c pistol is an excellent gun. Not a single hiccup with mine, SD rounds, reloads, and plinking factory loads. No torture tests from me, but so far I have enjoyed it immensely, especially after removing the magazine safety.
That said, the Glock has a much longer and well wrung out reputation for durability. I have not resolved in my mind the criticism some people have made that the chamber does not fully support the round. I can't tell if it's a real problem, reloaded rounds, or shooting a lot of lead rounds. Anyway, in my hands, the Glock 23 was an incredibly easy gun to shoot.
The SR9c is very easy for me to shoot, too, and it is a little thinner for IWB.
I *think* the SR9c is every bit the gun Glock is.
Which would I choose, knowing what I know and the current track records of each SO FAR, if my life depended on it? Glock.
If I needed to conceal it? SR9c
I will solve that and skip by those in the future.The SR9c pistol is an excellent gun. Not a single hiccup with mine, SD rounds, reloads, and plinking factory loads. No torture tests from me, but so far I have enjoyed it immensely, especially after removing the magazine safety.
That said, the Glock has a much longer and well wrung out reputation for durability. I have not resolved in my mind the criticism some people have made that the chamber does not fully support the round. I can't tell if it's a real problem, reloaded rounds, or shooting a lot of lead rounds. Anyway, in my hands, the Glock 23 was an incredibly easy gun to shoot.
The SR9c is very easy for me to shoot, too, and it is a little thinner for IWB.
I *think* the SR9c is every bit the gun Glock is.
Which would I choose, knowing what I know and the current track records of each SO FAR, if my life depended on it? Glock.
If I needed to conceal it? SR9c
Yeah imported..that drives the price up, ask all the good american companies that moved their factories overseas then ship their products back to the U.S. for sale.
No offense meant but you seem to be the one struggling with their emotions on this thread.
Woo Hoo it's the Colt vs all other AR's thread.
Glock season
Ruger season
Glock season
Ruger season
Glock season
Glock season
boom...
I looked at the
CZ p09
FN FNX 40
G23
SR40
and
P229
yesterday....I really liked the little safety of the ruger and the slim profile. The sales guy even offered 50 bucks off down to 399 without me even hinting at being interested in the SR. Problem was I already have enough Rugers. But there's something about the ruger frame I just don't care for. I loved the feel of the G23 plus all the aftermarket support gives it an edge IMHO.
I carry a LCP everyday...and like my STAG AR isn't a colt the LCP isn't an issued LEO firearm but it's been totally reliable so far. My 1993 P89 has yet to break either...
Glock season
Ruger season
Glock season
Ruger season
Glock season
Glock season
boom...
I looked at the
CZ p09
FN FNX 40
G23
SR40
and
P229
yesterday....I really liked the little safety of the ruger and the slim profile. The sales guy even offered 50 bucks off down to 399 without me even hinting at being interested in the SR. Problem was I already have enough Rugers. But there's something about the ruger frame I just don't care for. I loved the feel of the G23 plus all the aftermarket support gives it an edge IMHO.
I carry a LCP everyday...and like my STAG AR isn't a colt the LCP isn't an issued LEO firearm but it's been totally reliable so far. My 1993 P89 has yet to break either...
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I've got a few Rugers myself and no Glocks, I'm sure Glocks are a fine gun but they just dont feel right in my hand.Someone tell me why Cabelas always has a display case full of used traded in Glocks but never at least that I have seen used Rugers ? someone gets sick of their glocks.
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