Rumor of Ammo serialization bill...

[SilentStalker]

Has anyone heard the rumors of a new bill they are trying to pass in which case ammo would have to be serialized to your gun and then everytime you went and bought ammo you would have to sign for it, get authorized, etc. etc. etc.? Does this rumor have any validity?

 

[individual]

Who is "they"? The proposal has come up in many state legislatures in the last several months.

e.g. http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-339333.html

It stands little chance in most places, but I'm not so sure about my own blighted state... :banghead:

 

[KC&97TA]

Are you sure you are not confuseing the CA Law effective Jan 1 2009, that will require that semi auto pistols have a device installed so that when a round is fired the spent caseing is stamped with a serial number that identifies the weapon, and an additional fireing pin device that makes a unique stamp.

 

[MD_Willington]

Here is the "THEM"

Arizona House Bill 2833
California Senate Bill 997 (Carried Over from 2007)
Hawaii House Bill 2392
Hawaii Senate Bill 2020
Hawaii Senate Bill 2076
Hawaii House Resolution 82-07 (Carried Over from 2007)
Hawaii Concurrent Resolution 104-06 (Carried Over from 2007)
Illinois House Bill 4258
Illinois House Bill 4259
Illinois House Bill 4269
Illinois House Bill 4349
Illinois Senate Bill 1095 (Carried Over from 2007)
Indiana House Bill 1260
Maryland House Bill 517
Mississippi Senate Bill 2286
New York House Bill 6920 (Carried Over from 2007)
New York House Bill 7300 (Carried Over from 2007)
New York Senate Bill 1177 (Carried Over from 2007)
New York Senate Bill 3731 (Carried Over from 2007)
Pennsylvania House Bill
Tennessee House Bill 3245
Tennessee Senate Bill 3395
Washington House Bill 3359

2007 Legislation
California Senate Bill 997
Hawaii House Resolution 82-07
Hawaii Concurrent Resolution 104-06
Illinois Senate Bill 1095
Maryland House Bill 1393
New York House Bill 6920
New York House Bill 7300
New York Senate Bill 1177
New York Senate Bill 3731

Catching on everywhere... .GOV WA employees threw their hat in the ring too on this one...

 

[jerkin]

The Pennsylvania Bill # is 2228 if anyone is looking it up. Also heard that Hawaii shot it down already but have not verified.

 

[MD_Willington]

For now the WA State one is DOA.. introduced at cut off... but I would not put it past the dolts running the state to bring it back up...

 

[Mr White]

I wrote to the Minority leader of the PA House Judiciary Comittee and received a reply that bill 2228 would most likely die in the Judiciary Committee as it so rightly deserves.

 

[AZ-Mike]

Arizona House Bill 2833

The AZ bill hasn't been assigned to a committee yet. I wrote all the leadership (both parties) and the bills author. IMO it doesn't stand a chance of passing here, but that doesn't stop them from trying.

 

[wig]

Whenever you write these people we elected mention this:

What good is serialized ammunition, when I spray about 300 rounds of it (weekly/bi weekly/monthly) at my local range. Anyone wishing to commit a crime needs to only go "practice" for an hour, grab my casings and drop them at the scene of the crime.

Set EVERYTHING else that's wrong with this legislation aside - and just focus on that little peach. I sure as hell don't want to have to police all my brass every week. Sure I clean up at the ranges I frequent, but not 100% and I don't take it away with me!

 

[Kaeto]

The serialization mentioned in those bills isn't on the brass. It's on the projectile.

 

[kwelz]

The Indiana bill died without a hearing.

 

[strat81]

The serialization mentioned in those bills isn't on the brass. It's on the projectile.

How would this work with frangible ammunition? What about buckshot and birdshot?

(I'm not calling you out on this, I'm genuinely interested.)

 

[14427H]

Here is the group behind the ammunition stamping

The unique code is micro-laser engraved on factory-produced ammunition. This laser engraving is etched on both the projectile and the inside of the cartridge casing.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/default.asp

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

The serialization mentioned in those bills isn't on the brass. It's on the projectile.

Depends on the bill, some specifically indicate it will be marked on the case as well.

What about buckshot and birdshot?

Most of these bills specify handgun or "assault weapon" ammo. Shotgun shells wouldn't be so marked. As far as frangible ammo, it appears that wouldn't comply.

 

[TexasRifleman]

How would this work with frangible ammunition? What about buckshot and birdshot?

You miss the point. These are not designed to "work" they are designed to make it impossible to meet the rules, so manufacturers stop making ammo.

A de-facto gun ban if you will. If you can't get ammo, what good is the gun?

Never ever believe these things are intended to "work".

 

[MD_Willington]

WA State = both case and projectile on handgun ammunition

 

[AZ-Mike]

The AZ bill puts the serial number on the case and projectile; reloading would be illegal.

 

[SigLaw]

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[3fgburner]

Notice that the ammunitionaccountability.org people don't have anything on their website beyond a bare-bones treatment of the idea.

 

[Eric F]

So next time I do a drive by I will take a 5 gallon bucket of range brass and dump it out on the fly along with my brass too. IDIOTS each and every one who thinks this is a great idea

 

[Jim K]

The "usual suspects" of the gun control gang are afraid the Supreme Court will declare gun ownership an individual right, so they have initiated a multi-state push for what amounts to a ban on ammunition. In some cases, it has been disguised as a revenue measure by imposing taxes on the transfer of ammunition. There are variations, but the general thrust is that all ammunition sold in the state must have serial numbers on both the cartridge case and the bullet, and all other ammunition becomes illegal contraband. This would not be like the "link" situation where all the links could have the same number. Not only would every round have to have its own serial number, but there is no "grandfather clause."

That means those owning non-serial numbered ammunition would have to surrender it or face the prospect of raids by the police and state National Guard. One proponent gleefully says that there would probably be "hundreds of thousands of gun crazies killed" when they resisted.

At the moment, it does not look like any of those bills has a chance, but the insane gun control gang is always coming up with some new scheme to outlaw guns or render them useless. I have heard that German Jews who knew Hitler wanted to kill them thought he would "never do it"; he sure tried.

Jim

 

[Old Dog]

The very fact that these bills -- with such astounding lack of reasoning and science behind them -- can even be introduced in our state legislatures is proof positive that we have indeed continued to elect idiots to represent us.

The already sky-high, and sky-rocketing daily, price of ammunition will contribute to the demise of shooting sports. This is outrageous.

 

[zulu6]

Everyone, don’t forget about the Micro-stamping legislation introduced on Feb 7th by our old friend Sen. Kennedy, the murderer of Chappaquiddick. His legislation proposes to make it law that semi-auto handguns be capable of micro-stamping a serial number on the spent case.

The bill (S 2605):
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.2605:

…and the Brady folks are right on top of it:
http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=965


This raises all sorts of problems and questions.

Most of the existing technologies that make the stamp utilize the firing pin. What if you want to replace a worn or broken pin? Is it going to be a registered part now? If you replace it with a pre-micro-stamping part, are you altering a serial number on a firearm? Will you need to buy firing pins from an FFL now with BATF approval?

Even if its another part of the mechanism, besides the pin, that makes the stamp, what happens when that stamp becomes worn? Will you still be able to shoot it or is repair of the stamp going to be statutorily required? Will we have to get the stamps inspected for legibility, at a fee no doubt?

What about law enforcement? Wouldn’t it be easy to lead police on a wild goose chase if a criminal dropped a handful of stamped cases, which he picked up at the local range, at the scene of a homicide?

Sounds problematic and far fetched but remember, California passed this into law last year.

 

[cyclist]

The more I think about this the more I wonder what would happen if one of these attempts did get instituted and put into place. Go ahead, pass it, then see if it can even work. Sort of along the lines of give them enough rope and eventually they'll tie themselves up with it.

 

[ilbob]

i read somewhere that the ammunition accountability website is owned by the company that has the patent for the device that does the engraving, and is also pushing this very bad idea in various state legislatures.