Run in with TSA today

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they were right, right up the the part where it was inserted into the firearm
it should have been secured (upside down in a mag pouch or even taped) on all sides etc.

I guess a gun would do that, but its still wrong :rolleyes:
 
This did not happen to me, but to my brother-in-law. He lives in CA, so is used to dealing with anti-gun people, but this one really amazed him. While flying home from Missoula, MT, (where I live) he stated that he had an unloaded firearm in his luggage. They pull it out to inspect it, and when they open it, he had removed his ammo from the mag and put it in a ziploc baggie( yes, a no-no, but he had nothing else to use, he forgot to leave it at my house) so then, they tell him he cannot fly with loose ammo, to which he says, "fine, can you please dispose of it for me" to which they reply, no, they can't throw away loose ammo in an airport trash can, so then he ask what he should do. So the TSA agent tells him to LOAD HIS MAG and PUT IT IN THE GUN. So, under the watchful eye of the agent, and supervisor, he did just that, and said it was the wierdest thing he had ever done in an airport.

Blows me away.
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Loose ammo is supposed to be given to law enforcement for disposal. At least that's what the folks at Dulles told me. Another thing to point out is that both TSA and airline employees are PROHIBITED from touching your firearm.
 
The gun must be unloaded, it's best to have an empty magazine out. The ammo I keep in a small cardboard box that holds twenty and that fits in the same case. If I go to the range or intend to shoot a match (if I being my G34) then I go to the local wally world anf buy more. But you are allow up to 11lbs of ammo. You can store the bullets in the magazine but they must be completely enclosed/covererd. The 11lbs rule I think is s Delta thing.
 
Not to rant, but does it really take anything more than a pulse to get a TSA job? Honestly, last time I went through they must have given me 3 chemical and substance checks. I was in a suit and tie not some hipster garb.
 
The gun must be unloaded, it's best to have an empty magazine out. The ammo I keep in a small cardboard box that holds twenty and that fits in the same case. If I go to the range or intend to shoot a match (if I being my G34) then I go to the local wally world anf buy more. But you are allow up to 11lbs of ammo. You can store the bullets in the magazine but they must be completely enclosed/covererd. The 11lbs rule I think is s Delta thing.
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Each airline has different rules on weight and the number of weapons per case and a case limit as well. American is one. While many airlines allow up to 11 lbs., Alaska Air allows 50 lbs. Check the airline web site.
 
My oldest sister got a TSA-job, before that she was a office-manager for a medium-sized business,before that she had spent 16-years in the Navy, Although I love her more than anything, i would admit that she's not the most-effective when dealing in public-relations,, as a matter of fact her customer-service skills are,,,well,, marginal. She has firearm-experience (from navy-training) but does not own any guns.. She has told me numerous times in e-mail conversations how "stupid" her supervisors are and how they have blatantly "lied" to a traveler about the regulations because they were hired to "manage" people.not enforce federal law,, so she says she and other co-workers are often left holding the bag when it comes with dealing with out-of-the-ordinary situations,, Fact: she got a "written" warning for her "inability to effectively communicate the TSA's policy to a traveler" ,,, when she asked her "manager" exactly what the regulation was that applied to her situation,, her manager stumbled and stammered thru the "explanation" eventually telling her that he had a meeting and he would "get back to her" nice ,,,, give somebody a general idea of what they are supposed to do and then abandon them when it comes to "defining" the laws,, so no wonder why th in-consistency in the different airports,,, your tax dollar at work,,
 
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TSA are not my favorite group. I came back from Afghanistan last year on leave and went through Atlanta. I was in uniform, with a group of other soldiers. Atlanta is one of the hubs troops pass through, so seeing large numbers of military personnel is a daily thing.

I was randomly pulled out of the group. The TSA person had me cut customs seals off of my stuff where I processed through Kuwait, so they could look at it. Then my boots set off their scanner??? Got pulled out of line again to remove my boots. By the time they quit their dog and pony show I barely made it to my connecting flight. The TSA lady seemed quite amused over that, guess it was my fault how flights were scheduled. I really believe, I was an easy safe target for their procedure being in uniform. Plus, they knew I was not going to hang around and make a scene.

Taking a gun through an airport ~ I REFUSE TO FLY UNLESS IT IS A FORCED WORK RELATED COMMITMENT ~ If I don't want to put the miles on my vehicle, Enterprise Rental Car gets my business.
 
^Same here PRM, I never fly unless on orders. Well, actually, I've flown twice not on orders in the last 10 years. Once to fly to my old house, pack up, and move, the other was to a funeral I didn't have the time to drive to. Would have been 2.5-3 day drive each way.
 
^Same here PRM, I never fly unless on orders. Well, actually, I've flown twice not on orders in the last 10 years. Once to fly to my old house, pack up, and move, the other was to a funeral I didn't have the time to drive to. Would have been 2.5-3 day drive each way. ~ xcgates
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We are planning a trip this spring to go an see our son and his family who is in the military living in another state. Its a good 2 day drive. He left a couple of guns with us when he went on active duty and wants us to bring them. Four days of driving will definitely cut into the time we have to spend with them and most likely be higher than flying considering the cost of gas. But, I refuse to patronize the airlines as long as TSA continues unchecked.

I'll pass on being groped and scoped, let alone the recent problems TSA is having with thefts from within. I'm sure there are good hard working people employed there ~ but they have more than their share of bad eggs.
 
So we aren't allowed to see the rule book????
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They do NOT like being called out. They go into panic mode and start to say all kinds of silly things rather than admit they might be wrong. 99% of the time people back down and they win.

Glad that didn't happen here.
 
Works2Shoot said:
Not to rant, but does it really take anything more than a pulse to get a TSA job? Honestly, last time I went through they must have given me 3 chemical and substance checks. I was in a suit and tie not some hipster garb.
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Why is that relevant? Because hipsters are more likely to cause trouble? Or because it would be impossible for a trouble maker to wear a suit?
 
PRM MILITARY IN UNIFORM WITH ID ARE EXEMPTED from screening
Unless that has changed in 4 years, but when I was in, I know I had the TSA policy letter (as you have been checked out better than LE) that military did not need additional screening.
 
That depends on what your orders say: Sometimes you are required to travel in uniform, sometimes not allowed to, or it could be optional. The only reliable portion is that it will always be changing.

Personally I've always flown on the weekend, and try to avoid carrying that will identify me as a member of the military. (Don't stick out, don't make yourself a target.) Granted, given that I am in San Antonio, and from the way I look, people can guess I'm military, however I try to blend in, and don't even carry my military ID, or identifiable papers in my wallet. I have them, but from what is in my wallet, I'm a civilian.
 
The incident with TSA checking the military guys was cause for concern. I read up on this right after it happened. Their flight was rerouted in air with the only reason being to be searched at that particular airport. They were detained there in a room for a number of hours. The guy that had his nail clippers taken said when they told him they were confiscating them that he held up his M4 and said "you r taking away my clippers bc u say they can be used as a weapon and I'm holding this gun?"
 
The incident with TSA checking the military guys was cause for concern. I read up on this right after it happened. Their flight was rerouted in air with the only reason being to be searched at that particular airport. They were detained there in a room for a number of hours. The guy that had his nail clippers taken said when they told him they were confiscating them that he held up his M4 and said "you r taking away my clippers bc u say they can be used as a weapon and I'm holding this gun?"
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Different group ~ Atlanta was the scheduled hub we flew into from Afghanistan through Kuwait for regular R&R Leave.

PRM MILITARY IN UNIFORM WITH ID ARE EXEMPTED from screening, Unless that has changed in 4 years, but when I was in, I know I had the TSA policy letter (as you have been checked out better than LE) that military did not need additional screening. ~ Shadow 7D
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Don't know about a letter, all I had was my leave package ~ this happened 2010. Happened to several of us in Atlanta.
 
Yep, I had that happen on a chartered airlift. we all had every thing from M-9s to an M-249 SAW, and we had to check bags with nail clipper in them. I was coming back to Afghanistan from leave, in uniform, and went through TSA in Charlotte. They scanned my bag, seeing a bottle of mouthwash. They took my mouthwash and toothpaste from my saving kit, but left the 2 identical items in the bottom of my ruck! ????? Not the sharpest knife in the drawer!
 
The only time I had to deal with TSA was at Bangor Maine (a light came on so they landed there instead of somewhere else before going transalantic)

The TSA guy saw us coming back (only plane BTW at the terminal) with everything (like issued BenchMades, Woohoo)
and just opened the gate and waved us through, but that was when they just started and were Airport security guys who had been federalized.
 
I checked my new HK USP in its original plastic box, inside my bag, in Fayetteville, NC, the gun was locked, they told me the box could not be. When I arrived in Missoula, MT, the box was destroyed; it was missing several pieces, the handle was smashed off, the places where you put locks had been cut off (remember, I didn't lock it), the hinge had been destroyed, it had a boot print and someone had poked holes through the case and put some of those crappy luggage locks on it, then on top of all this there were two large zip ties and and it was wrapped in TSA inspection tape from ATL and DIA. I was glad the gun was ok, with it being polymer I was concerned with the boot print. The lady at the United desk was really nice and told me to go to the sporting goods store and buy what ever plastic pistol case I wanted and they would reimburse me. I bought a two gun Pelican case for $90 and she cut me a check.

I was happy about the new case, but left me wondering what goes on at the TSA checks.
 
The exact same thing they do to citizens who want to travel.

Who told you the box could not be locked? This is why I carry a copy of TSA and airline regs in my firearm container. I also carry a copy of FOPA travel reg SS 926A

I see TSA missed 3 box cutters in a passengers carry on today. Moronic Goons
 
As already mentioned, I put a copy of the TSA rules on traveling with a firearm as well as those of the particular airline I'm flying on in the bag on top of the gun case. I also adhere to the most restrictive of the airline rules (ammo in an ammo box) and firearm in hard locked case.
 
I use a cable lock that goes around the main support inside my soft bag, then I loop it through the hole on the hardcase and around the handle at least once. ON the soft bag I use a TSA lock. I have never had a TSA lock removed by force (being cut). Now whether the unloaded tag is inside/outside the box that seems to confuse them. But it make no difference to me. Seems like since its assuring an inspector someone has checked the firearm is unloaded it should be outside the locked box.
 
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