S&W New M&P 40

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Is this even really "retro?"

S&W calls one autoloader the "Chief's Special," no matter that is bears no shadow of resemblance to the classy little J-Frame revolver. Now a second try - - The Military & Police has been a mid-frame revolver for over 100 years, and they want to trade on that bit o' history to make up for a lack of imagination in marketing another auto pistol?

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Johnny
 
This is the gun my PD is about to test out. Our ordnance guys have handled one already and they say that it is very well designed, very ergonomic (!), and the trigger is an absolute dream (for a production service pistol- you 1911 guys can calm down).

They will have several copies soon for testing and eval, but the preliminary reports are good.

Mike
 
seems kinda neat but two things. one: there's and ambi slide release but no ambi mag release. c'mon, if you're going ambi, do it all the way for pete's sake and 2: do they really need a beavertail that big on a pistol with no hammer? looks like a prime candidate for snagging clothing and digging into your ribs for CCW'ers. oh and lose the wavy cocking serations. that looks dumb. gee i'm kinda like mr. negativity today aren't i? sorry.

Bobby
 
The slide release is ambi. The magazine release is (supposedly) quickly reversible. Not quite the same thing, but better than nothing.

As to the beavertail, I don't quite get it, either. This, however, is designed for duty-gun use first, so I don't think they designed it with CCW in mind. S&W is supposedly coming out with a "baby" version of this (in the same calibers), which is hopefully better designed for concealment (as opposed to merely being smaller).

We shall see. Our ordies were in love with the trigger. I mean, in love with it. This was after doing an intense eval of the Sig 226, the Walther/S&W 99, the Glock 22, and several other offerings from S&W. They said the trigger on the M&P40 they had blew all of them away. Not even close.

Mike
 
Me like.

Very nice wave rear serrations. NO front serrations. Yeah.

Stainless slide, duck-billed extended tail to handle slide bite.

Lovely grips and ergos. Hey, the FN Forty-Nine and the FNP-9 has my FAVORITE grip profile. That was the main reason I bought the FN stuff.

High cap mags are cool.

COming version of 45ACPp will be delightful. The compact versions will be cool.

I would wager the cost to be around $425 store prices. I would think S&W would keep the prices within the SW99 range, and also guess the mags be tolerably priced.

I hope the trigger is lighter than the Forty-Nine RSS DAO. Still, I like the pictures.

Bring it on, I am ready to buy another gun from S&W. In fact, I am waiting for this one instead of buying a SVE9/40.
 
My next purchase was going to be an FN P9 or P40, after seeing the SW though I am going to wait and check out the M&P.
 
Well as a learned and relearned disliker of all things SIGMA......:D I like it too.
The grip angle, trigger and everything else is new.....not just a new twist of the old gun.
Ill have to see some reports from non mag people and go from there.
Shoot well............
 
Yeah, from what I hear the only similarity between the Sigma and the M&P is that they both use polymer and shoot bullets (in the Sigma's case, only sometimes). It is a completely new design.

Here's hoping it doesn't suck.

Mike
 
I've shot the new M&P. The trigger, regardless of what it may weigh on the scale, is pretty good. No, not 1911 quality, which is what I'm used to shooting, but better than a Glock's trigger. It isn't a Sigma by any stretch of imagination; this trigger is lighter, crisper, and doesn't stack. Ergonomics were great. I wouldn't sell this pistol short. If you hate Glocks, and you hate USPs, and you hate XDs, then you probably won't like the new M&P. If you don''t hate all the polymer pistols, then you should shoot this pistol before you make your mind up about it.
 
New Military & police coming from Smith & Wesson

Looks like S&W is bringing back the old name. New auto to be called the M&P due out soon.

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Caliber: 40S&W / 9mm / 357Sig
Capacity: 40S&W: 15+1 / 9mm: 17+1 / 357Sig: 15+1
Barrel Length: 4.5"
Front Sight: Steel Ramp Dovetail Mount - Tritium Sights Optional
Rear Sight: Steel Novak Lo-Mount Carry - Tritium Sights Optional
Firing System: See spec sheets
Grip: See spec sheets
Trigger: See spec sheets
Hammer: See spec sheets
External Safety: See spec sheets
Frame: Large
Finish: See spec sheets
Overall length: 7.5"
Material: Zytel Polymer Frame, Stainless Steel Barrel and Structural Components
Weight Empty: 24.25oz. (40S&W) ounces
 
Ever hear of "blackened stainless"? And Glocks may be "fugly" but they work and work. If Smiths new gun comes in anywhere near as reliable as a Glock and at the price point they have been throwing around, they will sell a bunch.
 
so how is this any better than the springfield XD which i would wager is less expensive and has one more caliber to choose from?
 
Dunno how it compares vis a vis the XD, but our ordnance guys have played with a copy and the love the trigger. I mean, love it. These guys run 1911s in their competition shooting, so they know a good trigger. WHile they admit that it is nowhere near match 1911 feel, they say it is the best duty gun trigger that they have ever shot.

Now. Did they get a 'stock' trigger or a fluffed and buffed one? No idea. But it is, at least, encouraging.

Mike
 
If the XD is so great how come nobody hopped on the HS2000 wagon? Identical models except for the importer. Nothing like saying "I don't like it" even before you try it.
 
Am I the only one seeing a resemblance between this and the Taurus 24/7? If its as good as the 24/7 is, I expect they'll sell well if the price is not too much higher than the 24/7, ~$340-350.

--wally.
 
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New thread entitled, " New Military & police coming from Smith & Wesson" merged with another, near identical thread from last month.

Johnny
 
I am looking forward to trying the M&P in 9x19. It is nice to see that an American icon like S&W is still evolving the semi-auto pistol. I hope the product is good, and they have some success in the LE marketplace. I want to see American LEO's carrying American pistols. Obviously this pistol is aimed at competing with Glock.

While it may not be the prettiest pistol on the planet, it appears that form was driven by function. I like the idea behind the steel sub-frame, and it appears the bore axis is a bit lower than the Glock. The Novak sights are very good, and may be seen as an advantage over the Glock. The grip frame flexibility should be a selling point, especially for LE. I want to see if my small hands can really handle an autoloader holding seventeen rounds of 9x19.

Interesting that the frame in Zytel, DuPont's polyamide. I am assuming it is one of the variants of Zytel HTN. I wonder how much glass fiber is in the polymer. The data sheet on the DuPont site says 35% (by weight) of the polymer is glass fiber as compared to 33% of standard PA66, but other variants of HTN are available.

I was not a fan of the "wavy" serrations until I tried them on a M945. The serrations, as odd as they look, are very positive without tearing up flesh and cover garments. I like the stainless material combined with the Melonite finish; the metal parts should be well protected.

I am not too fond that the magazine disconnect is optional only for agency/LE buyers; I would hope that I would have the option to use or not use the magazine disconnect. I wonder what effect the disconnect will have on the trigger. So far the limited amount of feedback on the trigger has been positive, but I have not heard whether the tested pistols had the disconnect. The S&W documentation claims a trigger pull of 6.5 pounds, with a trigger reset of 0.140 inches.

All in all, this looks like the basis of an excellent product for S&W.
 
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