S and W 39-2

Status
Not open for further replies.

Ron64

Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2021
Messages
16
I recently acquired a 9mm model 39-2. It appears to be an older weapon but in very good shape without wear on the blue and the factory box is in excellent condition with little wear on the corners. Still has original wrapping wax paper and literature sent with the weapon. The "&" sign on the slide appears to look different than what I am used to seeing but it doesn't appear to be altered ??
Im kinda new to this forum with only a couple of prior posts about a revolver, not looking to get insulted or chided, but if anyone is an expert of very knowledgeable about this possibly older pistol I would like to ask questions regarding age, value, etc. Thank you.
 
The model 39-2 is one of my favorite pistols. The & you're talking about is called a "Lazy ampersand". I can't say I've ever seen one on a semi-auto pistol, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Well, that shows why I'm not an expert. I just checked and it turns out the one I've got has the "Lazy" Ampersand. Who knew? I look for them on revolvers, but have never thought to look at the semi's. It's just one of those neat little oddities one finds from time to time with Smith and Wesson and adds nothing to the real value of the piece. It's just neat to have, and know what it is.

Mine was made in 1970. I was a junior in High School that year. I don't have the box or papers, but it does appear to have the original magazine which has a metal follower, that is shapped like an "X" when viewed from the top.

If you give us your S/N, and "X" out the last three numbers, someone here can look it up for you and give you a general idea of when it left the factory. For example the S/N of mine A155XXX. Make sure you use the right number of "X's". The number of digits matters.

No matter how old it is, you've got (IMHO) one of the best 9mm handguns ever made.

Model39-2.jpg

What's it worth? The flip answer is it's worth what someone will pay you for it, but you know that. I've seen them recently from $450-to $950. Mine was close to the bottom of that scale. Condition is everything. Post a few pictures and someone here who knows a lot more than I do will come along.
 
The Model 39 was the first American domestically designed and produced 9mm pistol. They are excellent guns and a high-condition example with original box is very collectible. The Dash-2 variant replaced the breakage-prone original extractor with a smaller, more durable unit. Original magazines are rare now and pricey.

The frame isnt blued steel, its anodized aluminum and vulnerable to scratches and chipping, so use some caution if your trying ro retain the collector value.

Pics would help, but Ive seen mint-in-box M39s at local gunshows with $1000 asking prices on the sticker.
 
Thanks for all of the kindness and help. It came with 2 magazines and they have some type of clips in them, never seen this before. The serial number is A156XXX. A pic of the inside of the box has a date stamped in it but not sure if it is relation to anything with the gun??
Here are some pics, the blue is not worn and no dings. Any imperfection is with glare of light or something. 20220619_105838a.jpg 20220619_105848.jpg 20220619_110218a.jpg 20220619_110028.jpg 20220619_105918.jpg
 
Very, very nice! Keep it clean and oiled. :thumbup:
The "clips" in the magazines are the followers, this is how early ones came from the factory. They look weird but function just like any other pistol mag.
Later production 39 magazines came with plastic followers that are now old, brittle and prone to breakage. IMO, the steel "x" type are better.
 
Your SN A156XXX is in the same ballpark as mine. "The Book" (Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson) gives a date of 1971 for that A156XXX number. That's about as close as you're going to get without "lettering" it.

That's a nice one you got. Enjoy it.
 
Ron64

Congrats on your acquisition of the S&W Model 39-2! Looks to be in great shape and with most of the paraphernalia that used to come with the guns.

Another interesting bit of history concerning the Model 39 is that in 1950 it was supposedly designed and built according to NATO specifications for the next service pistol in 9mm. The U.S. Army ran various tests and evaluations in the early '50s (there were also three other competitors: a Colt Commander, an Inglis Hi-Power, and some sort of prototype from High Standard) but by 1955 the Army lost interest, canceled any further tests, and continued on with the M1911A1. This left S&W with the commercial market and law enforcement contracts in which to sell it's pistol. In the mid to late '60s S&W finally managed to get a large order from the Illinois State Police for the Model 39 and more city's police departments followed suit with purchasing the 9mm.
 
Ron64

Congrats on your acquisition of the S&W Model 39-2! Looks to be in great shape and with most of the paraphernalia that used to come with the guns.

Another interesting bit of history concerning the Model 39 is that in 1950 it was supposedly designed and built according to NATO specifications for the next service pistol in 9mm. The U.S. Army ran various tests and evaluations in the early '50s (there were also three other competitors: a Colt Commander, an Inglis Hi-Power, and some sort of prototype from High Standard) but by 1955 the Army lost interest, canceled any further tests, and continued on with the M1911A1. This left S&W with the commercial market and law enforcement contracts in which to sell it's pistol. In the mid to late '60s S&W finally managed to get a large order from the Illinois State Police for the Model 39 and more city's police departments followed suit with purchasing the 9mm.

The Tripartite Conference in November 1952 recommended the United States, Great Britain and Canada standardize the 9mm Parabellum cartridge for use with a handgun. In addition, the Tripartite Conference further recommended the countries involved seek a new, lighter and cheaper handgun to fire the new round of ammunition. In May 1952 the U. S. Army tested various types of lightweight pistols and revolvers to determine their
suitability for use by the Army Field Forces. On 30 March 1953 the Army recommended the Colt Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911A1, be reclassified as limited standard, and the Colt Automatic Pistol, 9mm Commander Model, Lightweight be standardized for Army Field Force use. This recommendation was disapproved when the Secretary of the Army cancelled the development of a lightweight pistol because of the present number of caliber .45 pistols on hand.

The High Standard pistol was the T-3 and was actually developed in 1952 under contract (DA-19-059-ORD-25) to the Army to the following specifications:

a. The semi-automatic pistol shall not weight more than twenty-nine (29) ounces with the magazine, without the cartridges.
b. The over-all length shall not exceed seven and one half (7-1/2) inches, which length shall be measured parallel to the axis of the bore.
c. The Pistols, which the Contractor shall endeavor to fabricate hereunder, shall be capable of firing the 9mm Parabellum cartridge using barrels which shall be fabricated to Remington special chamber and rifling specifications.
d. The magazine capacity shall be 7 to 10 rounds in Single Row.
e. The trigger shall be double action and similar to the previous T3 Pistols.
f. The design shall be such that the Pistol may be fired with mittened hand.
g. The Pistol shall function in temperature from minus 65 F and 165 F, and the Pistol shall also function satisfactorily, using either the 9mm or Caliber .34 barrel and ammunition respectively.
h. The Pistol shall be capable of being field stripped without the use of any tools.
 
Last edited:
This is a S&W 539. It has a steel slide and frame. It’s one of the second generation S&W pistols. They made them for a few years, in the 1980s. I wanted one, when they came out, but was too young and no money either. It’s a very neat pistol, you don’t see a lot of. It’s kinda rare, but doesn’t have much collector interest. They are going up in price,now, some. Not a 39 or 39-2 but in the same family.
09DF0B34-32BE-43F3-8D20-EFE97637E929.jpeg
 

Attachments

  • D85B0F8E-236F-4F70-9F83-370CAD0E1EB7.jpeg
    D85B0F8E-236F-4F70-9F83-370CAD0E1EB7.jpeg
    103.8 KB · Views: 5
Congratulations, the 39-2 is one of the most reliable semi-auto handguns ever produced.

My first handgun was a 39-2 purchased at a LGS because it was inexpensive at $240 (1987).

Thirty five years later, it is still 100% reliable and has always cycled properly no matter what ammo is run through it or how it is handled.

It has earned its place as my bedside gun.
 
This is a S&W 539. It has a steel slide and frame. It’s one of the second generation S&W pistols. They made them for a few years, in the 1980s. I wanted one, when they came out, but was too young and no money either. It’s a very neat pistol, you don’t see a lot of. It’s kinda rare, but doesn’t have much collector interest. They are going up in price,now, some. Not a 39 or 39-2 but in the same family.

Now that's one that might make me modify that "No more guns" to "Just one more." ;) :rofl:
 
Mine's of the same vintage. #144XXX, bought her new from a police supply whse in 1970................identical magazine follower construction. Mine shows her years, but has never had a hiccup and I've long since lost any guess as to how many rounds thru her. Mine has the 'humped' ramp, a feature much criticized in the day, but feeds any design bullet, and most have been heavy handloads.

I recall a destruction test by Skeeter Skelton in shooting times way back wherein I believe in excess of 8M were ran thru the test gun with no function issues. As I recall the frame cracked at the takedown pin but the gun continued to function normally. By the way, I still have the receipt for mine..........cost just over $100.00.............got my money's worth!!
 
If I were somehow given that pistol or acquired it in some strange way for dirt cheap, I would be VERY tempted to get my friend at the LGS to sell it for me on consignment. If it's as near perfect as it looks, I probably wouldn't shoot it. I might save it as an investment for a rainy day.

If it had sentimental value, I would keep it, of course. If it were Grandpa's or Dad's or something I would shoot it and hope they were enjoying it with me. Or I might leave it unfired for my kids.
 
I've been kicking myself for almost 50 years for trading my 39-2 that I bought in 1976 for a Model 15. The reason I traded was because 9mm at that time was $9 a box versus $4-5 for .38. A 39-2 is on the top of my wish list now. BTW I still have the 15 although .38 is double the price of 9mm these days.
 
Last edited:
This is a S&W 539. It has a steel slide and frame. It’s one of the second generation S&W pistols. They made them for a few years, in the 1980s. I wanted one, when they came out, but was too young and no money either. It’s a very neat pistol, you don’t see a lot of. It’s kinda rare, but doesn’t have much collector interest. They are going up in price,now, some. Not a 39 or 39-2 but in the same family.
View attachment 1085472
I also love the 539. Much more so than the 39, although if one came along at the right price and wasn't a scammer, I'd buy it. My 539 20220413_165206.jpg
 
I have a 39 , serial number 8xxx.
One of the original, non dash 2 models. Had to replace the extractor, but I still like shooting this gun.
#metoo. I sent mine to S&W and they warranted replaced the slide with the new extractor. I found an old style extractor to replace it but that took 30 years to find. I have two slides now. Great gun. And great service from S&W.
 
Last edited:
I'm not a fan of transitional DA pistols, but I do like the look and history of those old Smiths! I had one years ago, wish I never got rid of it.
 
I got a 39-2 from my dad about 35 years ago. It wouldn't feed hollow point ammo until a local gunsmith did a little work on the barrel. It worked fine after that. Pachmayr makes or did make rubber grips for it that feel pretty good on it.
 
A nickel-plated S&W 39-2 was the first gun I ever bought, back in 1979. It was an excellent and very accurate shooter.
 
model 39 - my first experience shooting a pistol. It was nickel plated and belonged to my buddy. Many years later, I came across a 639. Had to have it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top