S & W 32 long CTG??

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Thank you Radagast

Great information - I appreciate you looking it up for me. It has been fired, but in very nice condition and I will get some photos up soon. The box is in poor condition. I had already agree to purchase the revolver when the seller asked if I wanted the "old box that it came in."

Bill
 
Hi, I need some help identifying a S&W 32 long ctg that I inherited. I have attached a couple pics of it. It has these patents on the top of the barrel: Apr 9, 1889, Mar 27 1894, May 21 1895, Aug 4 1896, Dec 22 1896, Oct 4 1898, Oct 8 1901, Dec 17 1901, Sep 2 1902, July 7 1903. The serial number is 85xxx and is imprinted on the back of the cylinder and on the bottom of the barrel, there are no numbers on the handle. I read several posts mentioning mother of pearl handles, but this looks more like an ivory. The barrel is 4 1/4 inches. Thank you
 

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jade7230:
You have a .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903 2nd Change manufactured between 1906 & 1909 in the serial range 51127 & 95500. The grips do appear to be ivory, which was a factory special order option. They are the square butt extension style normally found on target models with adjustable sights. You would need to remove the grips to see the serial number as they appear to cover the bottom of the grip frame.
 
Pictures nickel SW 1903 2nd Change Hand Ejector

here are some pictures of the 1908 or 1909 32 Hand Ejector I had questions about earlier. Regards, Bill
 

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Zbill: Thanks for that. The pic of the box lid is especially interesting - plenty of people post pics of their guns, other stuff not so much.
 
I found this in an attic I cleaned out. its missing the extractor rod, center pin, and center pin spring. serial# on butt starts 440*** its in good shape minus the patrs i listed any idea what year this thing was produced
 
smitty 38 spc:
Assuming it is a .32 Hand Ejector, then you have a .32 Hand Ejector third model, manufactured between 1917 & 1941 in the serial range 263001 to 536684. Heat treatment of cylinders began at serial number 321000 in 1920.
Extrapolating that to about 15,000 guns a year post war, I can guesstimate your guns date of manufacture to the late 1920s, but it is only a guess.

For spare parts try www.gunpartscorp.com
 
whats up guys. i got a question about a gun. i got a gun from my grandpa. its a smith and wesson 32 long ctg with patent dates march 27, 1894 - aug 4, 1896 - dec 22,1996 - oct 9,1901 - dec 17,1901 - feb 6,1906 - sept 14,1909.

the serial number is 191-xxx

you guys know what year it was made and who used them if there was a specific purpose for it.

chris
 
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capq45:
You have a .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903 5th Change manufactured between 1910 & 1917 in the serial range 102501 to 263000.
Standard barrel lengths were 3.25, 4.25 & 6 inchs.
If with a short barrel and fixed sights (the rear sight is just a groove in the top of the frame) then it would have been a self defence gun.
If with a longer barrel and an adjustable rear sight (rear sight has a movable blade and screws to hold it in place) then it was a target model, for shooting competitions.
the .32 S&W Long is an obsolete caliber for self defence, but still has a following among target shooters.

Your gun predates heat treatment of cylinders, so stick to factory ammunition, don't try to use hot handloads in this gun. It also lacks an internal hammer block safety, so if you keep it loaded leave the chamber under the hammer empty.

Factory finish was either blued or nickel, with a color case hardened hammer and trigger (straw color). If the hammer and trigger are nickeled then the gun has been refinished in the past.

There isn't a lot of collectors interest in the smaller S&Ws, so value is not high. in 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave the following values: As new in box: $700, Excellent+ $385, Very Good $315, Good $275, Fair $165, Poor $90.

Ammunition is still manufactured but not cheap. If your local gun shop doesn't carry it try http://www.ows-ammo.com
 
thanks for the quick reply. it is a short barrel with fixed sights. the frame is blue'd frame with some wear in areas.

regardless, thanks for the info radagast!
 
32 long ctg.

Just joined as I am looking at purchasing what i think is a 1903 SN 43689. Hard rubber grips although one has a chip in place but clearly could be easily lost. SN is on the barrel, inside of the grips and the butt. I do not recall the patent dates. the question is after 11 pages of posts I still do not fully understand the 1-5 changes- what were they, why were they done and were they truly significant?... thanx in advance flanman
 
flanman:
You have a .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903 1st Change, manufactured between 1904 & 1906 in the serial range 19426 to 51126.

In the early days of the Hand Ejector (swing out cylinder) models, each time S&W made a minor change to the design it received a numerical change designation. So first change, second change, etc. These days, with model numbers instead of names, there is a -1, -2, -3, etc suffix to the model number. Some guns such as the Model 60 are up to -15 or more.
Major changes meant a new model designation. So the .32 Hand Ejector Model of 1903 (or Second Model) replaced the Model of 1896 (or First Model) because it was essentially a new design. The Third Model in 1917 had a major internal change in the form of an internal hammer block safety. In between the 2nd Model & 3rd Model there were 5 minor changes to the design over 14 years and roughly 243,000 guns. These differences are basically irrelevant except for hardcore collectors wanting the full set of variants and for gunsmiths who may have to work on the gun and need to know the details of the changes and the serial ranges to find a compatible parts gun.

For the purposes of the average shooter, the important things to know are a) is their gun from before or after S&W started advertising their products as safe to use with modern gunpowder instead of blackpowder in 1909, b) is their gun from before or after the introduction of heat treated cylinders in 1920, c) is their gun from before or after the introduction of the positive hammer block safety in 1944 & d) is their gun from before or after the change from the small I frame to the slightly larger J frame in 1961.

Your gun predates all of the above.

Therefore:
1) Modern J frame grips will not fit your gun, you need to either contact http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ to see if they have a good second hand pair or do a google search to find the manufacturer of reproduction grips.

2)Lacking the internal hammer block safety, if the gun is kept loaded the chamber under the hammer in your gun should be left empty. If loaded and dropped on the hammer it could fire.

3) As your gun predates heat treatment of cylinders and S&W claiming their guns were suitable for smokeless powder, if you choose to shoot your gun stick to lead factory ammunition or handloads that are no more powerful than factory ammunition. If you handload, consider using a blackpowder substitute load such as Goex instead of gunpowder. Blackpowder is slower burning than smokeless gunpowder, so the pressure peaks slowly. This puts less strain on the gun. Unless you know what you are doing, don't reload with blackpowder though.
 
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Thank You Radagast

Radagast, I have been looking for this kind of summary for several weeks. Cannot thank you enough. Once I pick it up I will post some pics.:D flanman

Follow-up question is anyway to preserve the grip and re-attach the chipped of piece. About one inch across X 3/4 inch wide X 12/deep tapering to edge? This starts at the base where the butt pin is located.
 
Flanman:
I can't help you there, I'm a guy with a reference book, not a gunsmith. I suggest you start a new thread in the gunsmithing and repairs sub forum and ask there.
 
well, we were going the my grandfathers basement today and I came across a 32 long ctg revolver. Not much is known about it. I know he used to own a hardware store and probably bought this as protection. it is a 292821 on the inside of the handle and on the flat of the barrel. They cylinder reads 301495, which i thought would be the same but alas, it is not. Bottom of the grips read PAT June 5, 1917

anyways a few pictures, any info would be greatly appreciated! and maybe a value as it sits....
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bradystrib:
You have a .32 Regulation Police manufactured between 1917 & 1920. Your gun has been rebarreled, again with a barrel from between 1917 & 1920. You are correct, the barrel serial number should match the crane serial number.
Your gun predates heat treatment of cylinders, which began at serial number 321000 in 1920, so stick to factory lead loads don't try hot handloads in that old gun.
It also predates the positive internal hammer block safety introduced in 1944, so it would be prudent to leave the chamber under the hammer empty if you keep the gun loaded. If fully loaded and dropped on the hammer it could fire.
Value in that condition is not very high, probably around $250 or so.
 
Just a quick correction --- I think Radagst meant re-cylindered.

If I read bradystrib's post correctly the barrel and frame serial number match and the cylinder does not match .

A lot of fun to shoot if mechanicaly OK - I have a 1903 fifth change that is in poor finish but shoots very well.
 
i bought this 31-1 serial number 782368 that had adjustable sights installed, not the best job but not the worst either and they work. the store that had it could not seem to sell it because of the sight modifacation, i said i would buy it if it shot well,the owner said if i did not like it he would take it back. well it does shoot very well and to point of aim with the adjustable sights, my wife who does not like the short barreled 38 spls has stolen it and dares me to take it back. i paid 175.00 for it and i am pleased with. eastbank.
 

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mnrivrat is correct, I goofed. The replacement is still a pre heat treatment cylinder and should not be stressed with hot loads.
 
32 HE and Spanish copy

Well picked up the 32HE and along side it was a Model 31 Spanish copy. I think I will disassemble the copy and reblue it for fun. The S&W will get a disassembly and thorough cleaning once I find an owners manual or set of instructions for proper care. Any help available? flanman

PS pics to follow start of Dec when my internet speed returns to normal.
 
Double Action 4th Model?

WOW! What a great forum for info. on the History of firearms,I"m glad I found it. From reading all the postings and learning alot about some older S&W revolvers I think I have an idea of what I found in the eaves of a garage. Its kinda rough from being exposed outside but I soaked it in oil for a few months and now I got it moving. I found the numbers and dates thanks to You The Members and would like to clarify things and find out some more about its history. The serial # 324xxx on the cyl. and handle match. Smith&Wesson Springfield Mass. U.S.A Pat'd Jan. 17&24 65. July 11 65. Aug.24 69 July 25 71 May 11 1880. Its a 5 shot 3.5" barrel. The plastic grip may not be origional. I noticed the trigger guard has a different shape than some of the others I've seen. The blued finish is still kinda rough looking. Im not going to do any more to it and risk damaging it although I'm tempted to take it apart. Im glad I got it moving at all considering the condition it was in. If Anyone could provide more info. about it that would be great.
 

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bags:
Yep. a .38 Double Action 4th Model almost certainly manufactured in 1895/6, as the serial range started at 322701 in 1895.
I wouldn't bother with pulling it apart, the early guns are considered quite delicate to work with.
I would keep it as an interesting relic of a by gone era, not a shooter.
 
bags:
Check if the grips are ivory, not plastic. If ivory then they may be original. If plastic then no they aren't. The original grips were black or red hard rubber.

The .38 Double Action 1st through fifth models had that style of trigger guard, the Perfected model and the hammerless New Departure models had a more rounded trigger guard, lacking the concave rear section.

If you do get it working and decide to shoot it, get someone to load you blackpowder or a blackpowder substitute load such as Goex, rather than shoot modern smokeless ammo through it. It wasn't until 1909 that S&W started advertising their guns as OK for smokeless powder, your gun predates that. Personally I wouldn't shoot it.
 
Radagast
thank you for the link but I cannot find a schematic for the 32 HE. Also what I am looking for is more along the line of takedown instructions for taking it apart and more importantly reassembling it properly after a thorough cleaning and preserving. flanman
 
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