S&W 5906 jammed need help

[ljr]

was working my way through my second box of cheap although factory ammo with my 9mm when the gun jammed. (empty round fully chambered) Slide moves about 1/8" rearward. Tried pushing, hammering, oiling, pleading with it even put it in the freezer for a couple of days then tried the above again to no avail. Have realitivly little experience with autos any help would be appreciated.

 

[CelticArmory]

Without having it in my hands it's hard to say what the issue is. There are a variety of things that could prevent it from cycling. Are the slide and barrel moving together? Does the slide stop when the barrel is supposed to be unlocking? If you're sure there's an empty in the chamber you could try a brass rod down the barrel into the case, then pull the slide back and at the same time, tap the rod with a hammer gently. Also look to see if the barrel is unlocking, if it isn't you could also try tapping on the top of the chamber end of the barrel as you pull the slide back. This will be fine if the brass is stuck in the chamber in a way that prevents opening.

Do make sure there is no magazine in the weapon.

However there are other possible problems. There are 3 levers that are actuated by plungers in the slide. It is possible for one of these to have broken or worn or in some way for it to have slipped up behind the plunger instead of being under it. That would solidly prevent the slide from moving and about the only way I could see of fixing that is removing the rear sight and pulling the springs and plungers.

Another possibility is that something got between the barrel lug and the frame and is preventing the barrel from moving right.

Is there any odd rattling if you shake it? More than normal?

 

[ljr]

As I said I am not too famillar with autos but these things I have observed: No unusual rattles, gun appears to be in firing position with a fully chambered spent casing, I can pull the trigger and the hammer falls on the empty cartridge, Barrel and slide move to the rear when pushed about 1/8" , tried to Tap as you said, no luck ,decocking lever will not move down to "safe" position it only moves downward aprox 3/8" then returns to full upward position when released. Thanks for your help!

 

[Jeb21]

Gunsmith can and will fix the problem for a very small sum and save your and your gun from misshap.

 

[balance 740]

Happened to me once with a different pistol.

What I think happened, is that you had a dud round with no gunpowder in the chamber, and when you fired the shot, the primer pushed the bullet far enough to get into the rifling, but not enough to get all the way out of the casing. Now when you pull the slide back it only moves 1/8 of an inch because the extractor is holding the casing, the casing is holding the bullet, and the bullet is stuck in the barrel, so the slide and barrel are being held together by the empty case/bullet.

I got the pistol apart by hitting the front of the slide/barrel with a rubber mallet, but you can also try hitting the bullet back into the casing with a peice of wood through the barrel, if this is the problem.

Though that wouldn't explain why the decocker is not moving.

 

[ljr]

bullet not stuck in barrel can see empty case

 

[ljr]

will do but hate not being able to solve my own problems!

 

[xr1200]

go to home depot or lowes and get a long 12" piece of brass rod smaller than .355 dia and insert from the front of the barrel and then hammer the rod until the slide open, as long as you are sure the live round is not present. Note brass thread rod can also be used or aluminum rod etc. the soft metal will not hurt the slide face or barrel when taping it out. You can also sometimes use a old shot gun cleaning rod as the rod it self may fit down the barrel, rod will be destroyed but you saved the gun

 

[ljr]

still no luck (beat it pretty hard

 

[Remo223]

when the slide goes rearward a little bit, does the empty cartridge move with it?

 

[Remo223]

I'm gonna make a wild guess and say that if you take the grip off and remove the hammer spring, the slide will then move.

 

[ljr]

barrel, slide and cartridge, removed grip and spring , still stuck.

 

[Remo223]

will the hammer pull back all the way? If so, try pulling slide back with trigger depressed. Can you get the slide pulled back far enough for the cartridge to begin to pull out of the barrel?

 

[ljr]

yes, tried with hammer back and trigger depressed no luck! Seems to be a hard case?

 

[Sky]

I have seen this on 1911s....yes I know a 5906 ain't a 1911 but!!! Check this out and think about how you put the gun back together last time you had it apart. Take down pins and barrel eyes are the same.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=549744

 

[xr1200]

did you try the brass rod down the barrel and the 16oz hammer like I told you ? and make sure the frame is backed up solid on large wood block or work bench in order to get leverage.

 

[Owen]

using the rod and hammer method, it will also be useful to pull the slide as far back as you can before you start hitting the rod. Don't be afraid to really hit the rod hard. Might need three hands tho...

My guess is something broke.

Sky, a 5906 does not have a barrel link for the slide stop to pass through.

 

[xr1200]

the other issue you could have is that the case is expanded to far and the wedged in the chamber, and has locked up the slide. This often happens on garands,m14, and ak47 and you need to hit the bolt handle , by placing the gun on the ground and using the heel of your boot to cock and extract the damaged case.

Don't worry about using the rod and hammer, you need to use some force in this case.

 

[balance 740]

If it is the casing that is stopping the slide, then pressing the back of the extractor in enough to let it slide over the rim should allow the slide to retract.

But I'm thinking it is something internal in the slide that has broken or come loose that is stopping the slide, since the decocker is not moving as it should.

 

[ljr]

Yes I did try beating it out on my work bench I guess I could really smash it a lot harder but You can my Imagine my reluctance to just bash at a nice piece of equipment as this gun is I did push in on the extractor while bashing at one point as well. Is it possible to remove the decocker assembly and would this be of any help an if so how do I do this?

 

[ljr]

Thanks to all for your suggestions if nothing else I did learn a little about this gun I will try to remove the rear sight and pull the springs and plungers. I started to do this today but I was having some trouble moving the sight out of the way I wil try again tomorrow thanks again to all concerned!

 

[Sky]

Owen you are 100% correct and I thank you for being so gentile and pointing out my stupidity!! I shot my 5906 yesterday but spent sometime teaching someone how to clean and put back together a newly purchased RIA Commander....How the innards got cross wired in my brain I will just have to think about it!! Only excuse I can think of is I have been around 1911s for most of my life so I guess they are imprinted in my remaining brain cells.

I would try to take the take down pin out without using a punch or messing the pin or gun up. Otherwise I will be interested to find out what happened.

Sorry for the confusion and my original post. Maybe I have late alzheimer's or something;now that's a comforting thought!!!!!?

 

[ljr]

? takedown pins ? where are they located any suggestions as to how to remove them. I too am interested in not messing the pin or gun up and am really interested in how this will come out!! I must Sleep now the life of the intern is a real grind! Will try again tomorrow. Thanks ljr

 

[SwampWolf]

I would try to take the take down pin out without using a punch or messing the pin or gun up.

Where is the "take down" pin located that you speak of?

 

[Owen]

I believe he's talking about the slide stop. if the slide only moves back 1/4" I don't think he's going to be able to get it out. However, OP, if you can get the slide back far enough to remove the slide stop, that's what I'd do.