S&W 617 - leaf or coil spring ??

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Well folks ... I am in the market for a DA rimfire (22LR) revolver so naturally I am comparing Taurus and S&W. A nice but pricey option is the Smith 617 (10-shot, of course!). However, I have run a search and no one has mentioned whether the 617 specfically shares the leaf spring design of the rest of S&W K-frames. So I'd like to hear from any folks that know for sure. Also, any idea if the S&W 63 (kit gun) has the leaf spring action? Thank you, in advance, for your help!
 
I own a 686+...

the larger cousin to the 617 (same frame) and it is flat spring (leaf), and
not a coil spring.

As far as I know none of the S&W revolvers have coil springs, only their
auto pistols.
 
As far as I know none of the S&W revolvers have coil springs, only their

IIRC, folks were saying that all of the S&W J-frames & below (at least the current ones) have coil spring actions. General consensus was that only the K-frame and larger offerings still had the leaf springs. However, no one ever mentioned the 617, which is quite obviously, a K-frame. Anybody ever open-up their 617 and verify this? :confused:
 
My 6-shot 617 is a few years old, and it has a leaf main-spring. I saw it when I changed the grips.

Great! Any chance it'll be any different on the 10-shots? AFAIK, the 10-shooters came out in 1997 so it might be different from the 6-shooters. Moreover, many folks seem to prefer the 6-shooters so it makes me suspicious. :scrutiny:
 
thats why I said "as far as I know"

I didn't know the J-frames have coil. But Having asked a good friend
who owns a recent vintage 617 10 shooter (2004) its definately the
flat spring like my 686.

Hope that helps :D
 
not to get off on a different track but....

I've heard people call the 617 a "k" frame, yet its the same size and dimension
as my L-frame 686 (IIRC). Doesnt that make it an L-frame???? :confused:
 
The S&W Model 617 is built on S&W's "K" frame.
As such, it has the original S&W leaf spring action.

Only the S&W "J" frame small revolvers use a coil mainspring.

The S&W medium "K" frame and the "in between" "L" frame are very similar in size.

The "L" frame is generally a beefed-up version of the "K" frame, using a stronger, slightly more massive frame, and a larger diameter cylinder.

To simplify things, S&W made the "L" frame's grip area the same size as the "K" frame, so both sizes could use the same grips.

The differences between the "K" and "L" frames are more a matter of the frame being just slightly larger, but with more steel in areas needed to increase the frame's ability to handle large amounts of .357 Magnum ammo, and having a much more massive, larger cylinder.

The Model 617 internally is the same as the larger "L" and "N" framed S&W's and offers the same good trigger action, and the ability to be "tuned" by a revolver smith.

I'd take a 617 over any current .22LR revolver, especially a Taurus.

The reason people seem to prefer the 6 shot 617 over the 10 shot, lies in two areas.
First, the early 617 10 shot had an aluminum cylinder, and apparently these didn't stand up as well as hoped for.
The cylinder lock notches had a problem with battering of the softer aluminum.
Even though later guns are steel, the problems sort of "soured" the reputation of the 10 shot guns.

Second, getting a 10 shot cylinder to align PERFECTLY with the barrel is a LOT harder than with a 6 shot cylinder.
"Some" people have reported that the 10 shot 617 is sometimes slightly less accurate than the 6 shot guns, and often it's one or two of the 10 chambers giving the problems.
 
I have an oldS&W pre-M17 revolver and I love it! It shoots very well and the leaf spring has not given me any problems. You can always upgrade to a Wolff spring but do not get one too light since rimfire needs a strong hit on the primer.
 
Mainsprings

All J's are coiled; all K's, L's, and N's are leaf. Leaf springs generally allow a lighter, smoother DA pull.

Taurus quality control is too suspect to gamble money on, and Smiths hold their value much better for resale.

The 617's are not L frames; their frames, cylinders and flat-bottomed forcing cones are all smaller than the L's. Grips are the same, as are trigger pulls.

The 17/617 series guns are the best DA revolver .22's made, for fit, finish, reliability, trigger pull and accuracy.
 
I have the six-shot 617 I mentioned above and a 686, the two are VERY similar in feel and balance especially since I have the same grips on both. The 617 is an incredibly accurate gun, the thing shoots like it's got eyes. I wouldn't trade it for any other .22 handgun.

I bought it before the 10 shot came out, if I were buying one now I'd probably still go with a 6-shot model if they still make them. One thing I like is that it's a cheap understudy gun for the 686.
 
The 17/617 series guns are the best DA revolver .22's made, for fit, finish, reliability, trigger pull and accuracy.

Well, this seems to be the general consensus as the prices are steep. I guess the real question is just HOW MUCH better are the 17/617's than the offerings by Taurus, Dan Wesson, Ruger, etc? I went to a major gun show yesterday and handled a new 6" 617 and it was just too "nose heavy" for me so I am looking for a 4" model.
 
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