Matthew Temkin
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I have heard rumors that a slightly larger version is coming from Glock in 9mm.
S&W J Frame vs Glock 42?
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I think I've said it before here many times what I think about a .380. I won't go there again, but I'd sure 'nuff rather have and carry a J frame. I've got an older nickel Model 36 that will hit a pop can at 25 yards, but even if it didn't, I'd take it over a .380 anything. I suppose the weight, size, power ration has a cutoff somewhere for whatever your intended purpose. Dress a water jug up in a winter coat and shoot it with the .380 and a +P .38 and see the difference.
Here are some comparative dimensions (inches except as noted) for the 642, the G42, and the XD-S 9 4.0:
L: 6.4, 5.95, 7.0
H: 4.5, 4.13, 4.4
W: 1.25, .84, .9
Capacity: 5, 6+1, 7+1
Wt Empty(oz): 15, 13.4, 21.5
I prefer to add a Pearce grip extender to the XD-S.
L: 6.4, 5.95, 7.0
H: 4.5, 4.13, 4.4
W: 1.25, .84, .9
Capacity: 5, 6+1, 7+1
Wt Empty(oz): 15, 13.4, 21.5
I prefer to add a Pearce grip extender to the XD-S.
barnett
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642+Crimson Trace grip+ lots of realistic practice = all you will likely ever need
ACP has it right. My carry rotation includes Shield 9, LC9s, LCP,
and 642 with Crimson trace grips. The 642 is with me 95% of the time.
ACP has it right. My carry rotation includes Shield 9, LC9s, LCP,
and 642 with Crimson trace grips. The 642 is with me 95% of the time.
Deaf Smith
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I hope so!
But we will see. The Glock rifle has never materialized either.
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Posted by barnett:
Should one ever have to shoot, it is of course possible that five shots would prove adequate. But what are the probabilities? Well, based on realistic assumptions, the chances that five shots would suffice are much slimmer than most of us would like.
Realistic practice is, of course, very important. But people who have availed themselves of realistic self defense training will understand that such practice would include, among other things, drawing quickly while moving and then putting, say, three or four shots into the area of an upper chest at ten or fifteen feet in a second or so.
I cannot do that with a 642, even with CT grips. The small grip, long heavy trigger pull, and recoil make it too difficult for me.
Aso, I would like to have more rounds in the gun after that kind of drill.
The likelihood that one will ever have to shoot in self defense is far less than remote, assuming that one avoids dangerous situations and remains very alert.
Should one ever have to shoot, it is of course possible that five shots would prove adequate. But what are the probabilities? Well, based on realistic assumptions, the chances that five shots would suffice are much slimmer than most of us would like.
Realistic practice is, of course, very important. But people who have availed themselves of realistic self defense training will understand that such practice would include, among other things, drawing quickly while moving and then putting, say, three or four shots into the area of an upper chest at ten or fifteen feet in a second or so.
I cannot do that with a 642, even with CT grips. The small grip, long heavy trigger pull, and recoil make it too difficult for me.
Aso, I would like to have more rounds in the gun after that kind of drill.
Have you considered the advantages of carrying the same firearm every day?
barnett
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Kleenbore,
I installed an Apex spring kit in my 642, and the trigger pull is fantastic. At one time I could not shoot it very well at all. But the Apex kit and practice combined to change that. As far as carrying the same gun everyday, like I said, 95 out of 100 days it's the 642.
I installed an Apex spring kit in my 642, and the trigger pull is fantastic. At one time I could not shoot it very well at all. But the Apex kit and practice combined to change that. As far as carrying the same gun everyday, like I said, 95 out of 100 days it's the 642.
351 WINCHESTER
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Carry the one that you shoot the best.
glocking26
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I've spent lots of time and money on most all of the little single stack 9's and little 380's out there and none of them work 100%. I finally went back to my J Frame and I'm not looking back. With that said if Glock ever comes out with Single stack 9 I may look again but till then j Frame all the way.
I'd say there's a difference between gunfight and self-defense. But I've got a G42 in my right pocket and a spare mag in the left, a G20 beside the chair, G23 bedside, and a few others randomly placed.
Flatbush Harry
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Some years ago, I got my 642 for summer carry with an IWB holster or an ankle holster when driving. I wear boot cut jeans so the latter is a reasonable approach. For the other seasons, I carry a Springfield XD40sc, with a 9-rd mag with a Pearce grip extension, also in an IWB holster although with heavier outer garments I'll use an OWB. With the 642, I have a couple of speed loaders with Federal High-Skok .38spl in my left pants pocket and with my XD40sc, I keep a single 12-rd magazine in an IWB pouch.
Now in many years of licensed concealed carry, I have never even had to let anyone know I was carrying and expect that will continue. I scrupulously avoid places and situations that might present danger because the fights you win are the fights you avoid. As I get older, I get more cautious, and I always keep in mind how much I have to lose should I ever need to defend myself with deadly force. I have taken a number of practical courses and practice with my carry guns weekly to ensure that if I need to use a gun, I will be competent. I will be continuing that training...guns are tools, not toys and the ability to know when to use a tool and what to do with it is critical. I pray, however, that I will never have to face a situation in which that need presents itself.
YMMV as to gun choice, but I hope you will never need to defend yourself with a gun, as I hope, fervently, that I never have to.
Harry
Now in many years of licensed concealed carry, I have never even had to let anyone know I was carrying and expect that will continue. I scrupulously avoid places and situations that might present danger because the fights you win are the fights you avoid. As I get older, I get more cautious, and I always keep in mind how much I have to lose should I ever need to defend myself with deadly force. I have taken a number of practical courses and practice with my carry guns weekly to ensure that if I need to use a gun, I will be competent. I will be continuing that training...guns are tools, not toys and the ability to know when to use a tool and what to do with it is critical. I pray, however, that I will never have to face a situation in which that need presents itself.
YMMV as to gun choice, but I hope you will never need to defend yourself with a gun, as I hope, fervently, that I never have to.
Harry
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I actually carry two, both with CT grips. And a speed strip reload.
And I was timed in a class (once) emptying a 642 into a 5" circle at 9 feet in nine-tenths of a second (from the ready, not drawing from concealed). So, there's that confidence boost for me with these particular revolvers.
But everyone has to find what "works" for them, and it is different for each person.
And I was timed in a class (once) emptying a 642 into a 5" circle at 9 feet in nine-tenths of a second (from the ready, not drawing from concealed). So, there's that confidence boost for me with these particular revolvers.
But everyone has to find what "works" for them, and it is different for each person.
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Holy cow! What are you afraid of?
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Way to quote me out of context. Now, what point was I making? That revolvers are obsolete compared to modern weapons, and the people who engage in real gunfighting don't use them because they put they put you at a disadvantage: Low capacity, slow to load, and bulky compared to the alternatives.
Try not to erect strawmen in the future, eh?
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But ... if you're needing to carry a gun at all, why prepare for anything less than the worst-case scenario? What if the person attacking HAS a 10-17 round Glock, and YOU don't? I stick by my original statement: Carry a revolver only if you don't expect to ever need to use it.
Obselete?
What if your worst case scenario involves a bad guy that Has already made physical contact with you? When you press your Glock into his body and it won't fire because it is slightly out of battery, I bet you would appreciate some obselete technology then!
Seriously, I don't care what you carry, but 158 grains always beats 90 grains.MTCW.
What if your worst case scenario involves a bad guy that Has already made physical contact with you? When you press your Glock into his body and it won't fire because it is slightly out of battery, I bet you would appreciate some obselete technology then!
Seriously, I don't care what you carry, but 158 grains always beats 90 grains.MTCW.
Madcap_Magician
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I have gone back and forth between the "tiny semiauto" and the "tiny revolver."
I find it easier to draw small revolvers as compared to guns like the Kahr PM9, Ruger LCP, Glock 42, etc., so for anything but belt duty, I choose the revolver.
I find it easier to draw small revolvers as compared to guns like the Kahr PM9, Ruger LCP, Glock 42, etc., so for anything but belt duty, I choose the revolver.
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Gotta disagree with you, WV Gunman. Worst case scenario? I'd have a M4 with a chest rig, ceramic body armor and frag grenades. But this is real life, where US civilians DO NOT have "gunfights" like on TV or a movie. Heavily armed assailant? Unlikley. But the strategy is the same: end the attack QUICKLY with well-placed shots. Dying with 15 rounds left in your semiauto's magazine is no different than dying with 3 rounds left in your revolver. Be first, be quick, be decisive.
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Ok, sure. But you're assuming the person with the revolver is actually a more skilled shooter/combatant than the person he is facing, sees him coming, knows what's going on, etc. Even police officers, who train far more than the average person, miss more often than they hit in a shootout. The average person is going to miss A LOT, and in that scenario more ammo = advantage.
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By that logic, you might as well have a knife. It's even LESS likely to not work.Okay, you can have your .38 Special. I'll take a semi-auto .243 Winchester.
Curious why you listed the XDs 4.0 when the more common 3.3 is only 6.3" long.
Posted by rhinoh:
My point was that even with the 4 inch barrel, the firearm is less than 10% longer than the 642 and is 28% thinner, that it has a capacity that is 60% greater, and that it is really not very much larger than the Glock 42.
That's only a 0.7 inch difference, and the longer pistol is easier to shoot fast.
My point was that even with the 4 inch barrel, the firearm is less than 10% longer than the 642 and is 28% thinner, that it has a capacity that is 60% greater, and that it is really not very much larger than the Glock 42.
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