Aside from the name recognition, in a test of quality from steel hardness to engineering sophistication, is the model 19 a better revolver than a Rossi 971 judged w/o emotion; which gun would be considered better in a world where no one has heard of S&W?
S&w model 19
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jglcolosprgs
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Really? You're serious? :banghead:
Okay. S&W is the better weapon. Fit, finish, engineering, metallurgy, design will always be better on the Smith.
Any time, any way you want to look at it.
Re: model19
NOTE: this isn't a 'meant-to-incite' post. I own a Model19 and I love it, but my son put a 971 in my hand last Sunday (he's had his Gn.Smth. take the trigger down to 3 1/albs SA and 8lbs DA.)
He says my S&W preference is a Harley-Dav./Kawasaki type of bias: it's easy to laugh at him,owning the more valuable and preferred Model 19, but that little Rossi felt nice, shot nice - I wish I had one with a Colt/Ruger/S&W label on it.
Do you have the RockwellHardness spec.s on both guns?
NOTE: this isn't a 'meant-to-incite' post. I own a Model19 and I love it, but my son put a 971 in my hand last Sunday (he's had his Gn.Smth. take the trigger down to 3 1/albs SA and 8lbs DA.)
He says my S&W preference is a Harley-Dav./Kawasaki type of bias: it's easy to laugh at him,owning the more valuable and preferred Model 19, but that little Rossi felt nice, shot nice - I wish I had one with a Colt/Ruger/S&W label on it.
Do you have the RockwellHardness spec.s on both guns?
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rcmodel
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No, but I have seen more worn out or out of time Rossi's in the few I have seen then all the worn out S&W K-Frames I have seen combined.
And I've seen a heck of a lot more S&W's then Rossi's.
rc
And I've seen a heck of a lot more S&W's then Rossi's.
rc
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I guess if you and your son own both of these guns for long enough we'll see if rc's findings pan out.
Certainly at present and given that the Rossi has been given some tarting up internally the differences will be minor or may even be in favour of the Rossi depending on what, if anything, has been done to your 19. But now it's up to time and rounds shot to see which has the staying power to come out ahead.
There's no doubt that the 19 has the reputation of being a long lived gun. Especially when shot using the old adage of "lots of .38Spl and a few Magnums here and there". The 19 is a gun that a shooting hobbyist can rely on to live up to many thousands of rounds being shot over a lot of years with little or no troubles seen. Will the Rossi stand up to that or is it a gun intended for "some" practice and then to be used for defense where it'll see only very sporadic or no use?
Certainly at present and given that the Rossi has been given some tarting up internally the differences will be minor or may even be in favour of the Rossi depending on what, if anything, has been done to your 19. But now it's up to time and rounds shot to see which has the staying power to come out ahead.
There's no doubt that the 19 has the reputation of being a long lived gun. Especially when shot using the old adage of "lots of .38Spl and a few Magnums here and there". The 19 is a gun that a shooting hobbyist can rely on to live up to many thousands of rounds being shot over a lot of years with little or no troubles seen. Will the Rossi stand up to that or is it a gun intended for "some" practice and then to be used for defense where it'll see only very sporadic or no use?
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The M- 19/66 "everything you need in a revolver and nothing you don't need."
The Rossi is a J-frame. Timing/alignment was the second thing he pointed out to me. The first was lockup. I dispute him on the lockup because I've had my 19 since the fifties (when MY father bought it).
It's seen less than two boxes of mag.s, but still, it's been fired enough to loosen it beyond any new gun. That also would account for the difference in chamber/throat.gap, which I could see w/o a feeler gauge.
I"ve heard the flat/coil spring argument; it's like the pushrods/overhead cam arguement: some American designs are hard to justify by anything beyond tradition.
I still think I have a better trigger return time, and my son admits that newer Rossis have suffered from the Taurus buy-out - but he still insists that the steel is higher quality. I don't know; that's why I was asking about Rockwell spec.s Nothing available on Google...so far.
It's seen less than two boxes of mag.s, but still, it's been fired enough to loosen it beyond any new gun. That also would account for the difference in chamber/throat.gap, which I could see w/o a feeler gauge.
I"ve heard the flat/coil spring argument; it's like the pushrods/overhead cam arguement: some American designs are hard to justify by anything beyond tradition.
I still think I have a better trigger return time, and my son admits that newer Rossis have suffered from the Taurus buy-out - but he still insists that the steel is higher quality. I don't know; that's why I was asking about Rockwell spec.s Nothing available on Google...so far.
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