That may be the case but sheeple have been trained to be scared of guns. Having one screwed into their ear every time the speed sure is not going to win much public support. My thoughts are that the firearms lab will quickly become very backlogged and as a resul there will be long delays in geting your guns back creating at least a short term confiscatin. This may also qualify as an illegal registration if they plan on retaining the info from the guns as balistic fingerprints. They would ave all the info on who the gun belongs to up front not just a serial number from the Mfgr tied to the info. One thing is for sure he is going to be generating alot of excess work for the police department.
Saf Says Anti-gun Missouri Police Chief
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CasualShooter
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Best to avoid trouble and simply stay out of Hazelwood until it's sorted out. OTOH, if you want to be an Activist on the Leading Edge, it sounds like Hazelwood may be a good place to start.
In Missouri it will be an endorsement coded on your drivers license and will thus be obvious to any Missouri LEO the moment he looks at your Drivers License.
What is the first thing an LEO usually asks when he approaches after stopping a vehicle? "Can I see your Driver's License?"
If you are driving a car registered to yourself, the LEO will probably know you have the CCW license after 'running' your license plate through the computer before he even stops you. Some may even use this information to start looking for 'probable cause' to stop you.
If an LEO knows that you are 'Licensed to Carry' it will generally be assumed that you are doing so unless/until proven otherwise. If he asks and you deny, you may find yourself ordered out of the car and frisked and the passenger compartment searched. If you lied, you're in trouble.
BTW, many other states issue separate Permits for CCW and do NOT show an endorsement or code on the Driver's License; but, many of them make it an obligation of the Permitee to immediately inform the LEO if they are carrying a weapon whenever they are stopped or approached by an officer.
If you are traveling in one of these other States and fail to do this you could be in trouble. You must make the effort and know the law where ever you travel.
IMHO this will all be sorted out in time and Missouri LEO's will come to realize, as those in other states have, that LTC holders are, in effect, Certified Good Guys.
fmjcafe
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Actually, you can get your ccw endorsement on a non- drivers liscence. It is basically a state ID card and thats the route I plan on taking. That way if I`m in a place that has posted "no ccw" and need to show my ID the person working the checkout counter won`t know I`m liscenced.
As happy as I would be to avoid Hazelwood, I work there....
As happy as I would be to avoid Hazelwood, I work there....
CasualShooter
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I was under the impression that the State I D Cards were for those who did NOT have Driver's Licenses.
Can you get Both?
Hmmmmm!
Can you get Both?
Hmmmmm!
you can get both.
One of the main reasons that John Ross et alia pushed the drivers -or- non-drivers license choice was so that anyone can put their CCL endorsement on their "less necessary" form of ID -- thus, when you need to show your driver's license for some reason or another, you don't have to take a victim-disarmament onslaught. Nice work, I say.
The unnerving thing is that the CCL permit shows up on the cop's computer when he runs your plates. Some people say that this will put the officer at ease, since he knows you have had some pretty heavy-duty background checks performed on you lately. I'm not so optimistic. I think it's going to be about 6-12 months before the officer is put "at-ease" and doesn't want to immediately search your vehicle/person...
Be safe & be smart, all.
-sch40
One of the main reasons that John Ross et alia pushed the drivers -or- non-drivers license choice was so that anyone can put their CCL endorsement on their "less necessary" form of ID -- thus, when you need to show your driver's license for some reason or another, you don't have to take a victim-disarmament onslaught. Nice work, I say.
The unnerving thing is that the CCL permit shows up on the cop's computer when he runs your plates. Some people say that this will put the officer at ease, since he knows you have had some pretty heavy-duty background checks performed on you lately. I'm not so optimistic. I think it's going to be about 6-12 months before the officer is put "at-ease" and doesn't want to immediately search your vehicle/person...
Be safe & be smart, all.
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Zundfolge
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And make sure you let the local Chamber of Commerce know you and your money will not be visiting Hazelwood untill Hier Chief is either leashed or fired.
A few thousand Missourians calling, writing and emailing the COC will get action taken against the Chief.
CasualShooter
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Just thought ya'll might be interested in the latest on Hazelwood's Chief Carl Wolf:
<http://www.sophorist.com/archives/000471.html>
Sounds like somebody's changeing his position.
Also, take heart. Sounds like others have been at odds with him, within his own department!
<http://www.mule57.org/news/News_Archives/swat.htm>
And it sounds like he is still at odds with members within his department:
<http://www.showmenews.com/2003/Oct/20031018News008.asp>
Enjoy!
<http://www.sophorist.com/archives/000471.html>
Sounds like somebody's changeing his position.
Also, take heart. Sounds like others have been at odds with him, within his own department!
<http://www.mule57.org/news/News_Archives/swat.htm>
And it sounds like he is still at odds with members within his department:
<http://www.showmenews.com/2003/Oct/20031018News008.asp>
Enjoy!
Roadkill Coyote
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and what does it mean if they don't float?
Sounds like the prelude to a full bore departmental witch hunt to me.
Sounds like the prelude to a full bore departmental witch hunt to me.
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